Tuesday 9th March - could be a big day

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1. Helen Staniland and Glinner giving evidence to the Commons

1. Fair Play For Women VS UK Statistics Authority at Royal Courts of Justice at 10am

1. The Court of Appeal and Harry/ We Are Fair Cop - The Court of Appeal will examine the validity of the College of Police Hate Crimes Guidance

I wanted to start a thread where any major decisions or outcomes and links to anyone live tweeting or online footage. See you back here tomorrow!

Excellent points from Helen about echo chambers and online bullying.

Helen so beautifully clear and articulate. So important to get all this on the public record Helen’s mass reporting data transparency request would be great if applied to MN too.

@SeaShoreGalore

Sorry to ask a potentially stupid question here, but... so if the judge is saying that people should record their sex as it appears on their birth certificate, does that not mean that a trans woman could record their sex as female, even though they were born male as they would have their birth certificate changed once they legally transitioned?

So we still wouldn't have accurate figures?

Yes. But they did point out that the real numbers could be extrapolated as they know how many GRCs there are. They would be statistically accounted for.

(Totally off-topic but am also enjoying peeking into all these Lords' and Bishops' homes/offices!)

What a great combination Helen and Glinner made. So many thanks to both of them.

I'm on a delay but what's with the guy basically saying "you've been banned from lots of places so you must have done something wrong"?

Helen was terrific.

Amazing!

Very well done FPFW!!

(Just heard a census ad on the radio too )

Well, bloody well done Glinner and Helen!

I haven't got signal strength / bandwidth enough ... Gaaargh!!

Well done Graham and Helen, can't have been easy. Drinks all round.

ok what's happening with the Harry Miller Case?

for Helen, too, for her evidence and her Question!

FPFW Census | Judges and barrister reconvene at 4.30 to decide date for JR next week /88

Ok what's happening with the Harry Miller Case?

It was very dry and hard to follow and it's continuing tomorrow too.

@FindTheTruth

ok what's happening with the Harry Miller Case?

Best bet is to follow the Twitter thread - must admit the argument gets a bit legalistic at times for me but is brilliantly recorded and updated quickly.

Thread sort of starts here
twitter.com/WeAreFairCop/status/1369287205546569731

So, in effect statisticians can subtract the GRC 'legal sex' elements, almost as if the ONS had asked sex at birth. In line with what the question always was.

Just finished watching Helen and Glimmer. Wow...... Well done! What a day☺️

Afaict, there are some legally arguments, but so far they are also arguing that 1) there should be some actual investigation into whether any incident took place and whether there was any hate there and 2) there is a chilling effect of the possibility of anything being 'recorded' if someone interprets it as hate (totally my interpretation)

@glinner I haven't been able to watch but hearing what you have sacrificed to stand alongside women and amplify our voices is just killing me. You didn't have to do this, no one made you, but you knew it was right. I have so much respect for you. Thank you.

Going back to the ONS implication that "we could reverse engineer a sex + "trans identity" response to work out sex" (my paraphrase) that doesn't work does it? If I put I'm female but I i.d. as having some trans identity, would they think I'm male?

[quote MsMarvellous]@glinner I haven't been able to watch but hearing what you have sacrificed to stand alongside women and amplify our voices is just killing me. You didn't have to do this, no one made you, but you knew it was right. I have so much respect for you. Thank you. [/quote]
This.

I am hugely grateful.

I’m so sorry for the toll it’s taken, and wish you the very best.

@Cailleach1

So, in effect statisticians can subtract the GRC 'legal sex' elements, almost as if the ONS had asked sex at birth. In line with what the question always was.

Can they, though? I can see how they could (maybe) do this for the very top-line totals (e.g. "we have 30 million women, minus 5000 male-born people with a GRC"), but I would guess it's impossible to apply this at a more granular level, e.g. number of female Buddhists in Bognor Regis aged 65+.

Very difficult to reverse engineer Cardinal. A well known trans woman on twitter said she put female for sex and non binary for gender identity... so there's no way to count her as a trans woman

And also, thank you Glinner. (Also for Father Ted, which I've been re-watching, and which shows beyond doubt your humanity and humour).