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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Tuesday 9th March - could be a big day

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Xanthangum · 08/03/2021 18:01

  1. Helen Staniland and Glinner giving evidence to the Commons
  1. Fair Play For Women VS UK Statistics Authority at Royal Courts of Justice at 10am
  1. The Court of Appeal and Harry/ We Are Fair Cop - The Court of Appeal will examine the validity of the College of Police Hate Crimes Guidance

I wanted to start a thread where any major decisions or outcomes and links to anyone live tweeting or online footage. See you back here tomorrow!

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ArabellaScott · 09/03/2021 14:30

Even if this census still ends up being a mess we have some legal clarification now around sex.

YEs!

Does he mean sex as in the person's biological sex?

Yes he does!!

Datun · 09/03/2021 14:30

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Judge: I do not agree that any staff training required to use changed guidance would be difficult /71
Haha! Oh gawd. It's painful innit.
ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/03/2021 14:31

Judge: Guidance is only found on line and can be easily removed /72

CriticalCondition · 09/03/2021 14:31

I've busted my data limit refreshing this in the vac hub carpark. Come ON!

everythingcrossed · 09/03/2021 14:31

Oh my God, the census is probably lost at this stage but we actually have a legal definition of sex Shock and it's what we always thought it was {shock] Shock Shock

PearPickingPorky · 09/03/2021 14:31

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Judge: I do not agree that any staff training required to use changed guidance would be difficult /71
Was this a defence argument?
ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/03/2021 14:31

Judge: Any person looking at the form will likely realise that the sex question is not a question about gender identity /73

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 09/03/2021 14:31

My understanding is that it will be birth certificate or GRC. No self ID.

highame · 09/03/2021 14:32

Staff training????? who'll be doing that??? Stonewall?

FindTheTruth · 09/03/2021 14:32

Judge: Any person looking at the form will likely realise that the sex question is not a question about gender identity /73

Xanthangum · 09/03/2021 14:32

Judge: Any person looking at the form will likely realise that the sex question is not a question about gender identity

I might add - any reasonable person

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WeAreJackieWeaver · 09/03/2021 14:32

Clare Jane Jones is calling it a win

Xpectations · 09/03/2021 14:32

@testingmitb

Does he mean sex as in the person's biological sex?
I think he means legal sex either birth cert or GRC. But not passport as those documents don’t record sex, but gender identity. (Which is really all a GRC does, but is legally recognised.)
FlibbertyGiblets · 09/03/2021 14:33

That was painful. Quick cuppa and onto Harry now ?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/03/2021 14:33

Judge: There is no dispute that sex is an important demographic variable /74

FindTheTruth · 09/03/2021 14:33

Judge: There is no dispute that sex is an important demographic variable /74

ArabellaScott · 09/03/2021 14:34

Yes, you're right, Xpectations. Birth cert or GRC.

PineappleCakes · 09/03/2021 14:34

I'm not on Twitter so thank you to those who've been relaying the tweets here GinBrew

And of course thanks to FPFW for their hard work and live tweeting ✊

ArabellaScott · 09/03/2021 14:34

udge: There is no dispute that sex is an important demographic variable /74

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/03/2021 14:34

Judge: I find it surprising that ONS says that1/5 of households have already completed the census when it is clear that census day is 21st March /75

ArabellaScott · 09/03/2021 14:34

sex is an important demographic variable

YES

FindTheTruth · 09/03/2021 14:34

Judge: I find it surprising that ONS says that1/5 of households have already completed the census when it is clear that census day is 21st March /75

PearPickingPorky · 09/03/2021 14:34

There was never any chance of it being "biological" sex rather than "legal sex" as that wasn't the argument put forward by FPFW (for understandable reasons, though it's frustrating that we are in this position because of a piece of nonsense legislation)

FedUpWithBriiiiick · 09/03/2021 14:34

What a day. What a fucking day! I was so uplifted by the Irish Woman's Lobby panel discussion last night, and now this.

"There is no dispute that sex is an important demographic variable"

TOO FUCKING RIGHT!

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/03/2021 14:35

There's that "surprising" again...