Anyone listening to Jeremy Vine?

[Chrysanthemum5]

Jeremy Vine discussing the census, and has just had a speaker on who has stood down as a Plaid Cymru candidate due to the 'transphobia' of the party and specifically mentioning Helen Mary Jones. Jeremy then asks if it's just a generational thing, and at some point everyone will just accept all this as the truth, and we just need to wait for people with old attitudes to go away.

Pretty sure the speaker has slandered Helen Mary Jones. And a discussion on the census has become a promotion for trans and non-binary and how special they are

Did they give Helen Mary Jones a right to reply? Or say that they would ask her for her take? Or counter what the guest had to say by stating that she wasn't there to defend herself? Poor journalism if not. Merely propaganda.

Tough titty, Jeremy. I come from a long-lived family so, with a bit of luck, I reckon that I'm good for another 50 years of Terfdom.

I'm listening. What a shambles.

People phoning in to say how glad they are to see this question as it will give the government precise stats for how many trans and non binary people there are.

It absolutely won't.

@TheRabbitOfCaerbannog no just a mention that Helen wasn't there to give her point of view, and the speaker then began to draw back on the 'transphobic' comments - think that they realised they had made a mistake

And also, yes - the extended me, me, me slot given to the Plaid Cymru person. But I do rather feel that the more they spoke, the more they undermined their own argument

The more people try and say this is generational, the more they demonstrate that they don't understand feminism or women's perspectives

McCanne

The more people try and say this is generational, the more they demonstrate that they don't understand feminism or women's perspectives

Yes.

Jeremy Vine for example....

To some extent it is generational because for a lot of women it's not obvious when you are younger. Then you start working, and you realise that you are getting paid less, or you're asked to make the tea more. Or you get to the age where you might have children, and very subtly start being sidelined for projects. Not openly, no-one will ever say we're not giving you this opportunity in case you go on maternity leave, but it happens all the same.

And then when the children are sick and your job pays less so it makes more sense for you to take time off. And so on, in an endless flow of tiny, little cuts your energy and patience drains away.

And at that point you realise that you can't identify out of this, and that there's more to being a woman than a feeling

Jeremy Vine is a tit. That is all.

(Helpful comment, I know)

Also we’re just so agreeable on the whole when we’re young. Women particularly are so ready to put their own feelings to one side or don’t feel confident enough to speak up. It was only once I got to 40 I started thinking WTF about lots of different thinks. It’s like the rose tinted specs were suddenly off.

Tumblr and Twitter are full of young radical feminists, so this conversation isn't going anywhere.

Jeremy then asks if it's just a generational thing, and at some point everyone will just accept all this as the truth, and we just need to wait for people with old attitudes to go away.

Accept what as truth?
Does he think that things like sex-based healthcare needs and male-pattern criminality will just magically disappear once enough people believe in 100 genders, or whatever the latest BBC figure is?

Silly man.

@justanotherneighinparadise

Also we’re just so agreeable on the whole when we’re young. Women particularly are so ready to put their own feelings to one side or don’t feel confident enough to speak up. It was only once I got to 40 I started thinking WTF about lots of different thinks. It’s like the rose tinted specs were suddenly off.

Agree but I think it's more than that, When you are young, you want to believe the best of people. You want to believe that love and kindness will conquer all. Unfortunately, as you get older, you tend to learn that - as important as love and kindness are - they are not an antidote to the world's arseholes and sociopaths.

The input of the woman with the dissociative personality disorder was interesting.

I know of someone who also has this as a result of severe and sustained childhood sexual abuse. She is a woman who, as a little girl was horrifically abused by men. The impact on her life now, as an adult woman, is impossible to overstate. She is one of the people I always think about when we talk about male bodied people in women's spaces, as if she encountered this it would result in the small amount of independence she has being taken away and her limited ability to participate in public life being further reduced.

It seemed like this experience was being used as a reason to promote the facility to opt out of gender. In reality it highlights the real need for absolute clarity about biological sex and its distinction from gender in service provision, for which providing statistical information is one of the main purposes of the census.

I have always regarded J Vine as one of the most vacuous people on TV. I think he is very ageist. He is also incredibly "woke".

@andyoldlabour

I have always regarded J Vine as one of the most vacuous people on TV. I think he is very ageist. He is also incredibly "woke".

He is unbearably patronising to older women. He also has no self awareness and thinks he is clever which is patently incorrect. Awful man.

Jeremy then asks if it's just a generational thing, and at some point everyone will just accept all this as the truth, and we just need to wait for people with old attitudes to go away.

I'd better tell my very GC son to get with the programme then.

Somebody in FWR reccomended Gender a Wider Lense podcast recently and I listened to this gender-a-wider-lens.captivate.fm/episode/10-queer-theory this morning and it resonated to clearly with me. The reason I can't get my head around non binary identity is because I am too grounded in reality to really understand it. It also touched on the preoccupation currently with gender identity and sexual identity with so many people these days to the detriment of the rest of their personal development.

Its a really good podcast really made me understand a lot of the questions I have swishing around my head about this.

Jeremy was interviewing someone called Owen Hurcom, the deputy mayor of Bangor. I assume no one else wanted the position?

A quick Google shows them to be an unremarkable, uninteresting 23 year old who identifies as Genderqueer/Agender.

God help us if this is the epitome of a radical thinking, rebellious young person breaking down barriers.

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow

Tough titty, Jeremy. I come from a long-lived family so, with a bit of luck, I reckon that I'm good for another 50 years of Terfdom.

I fully intend to outlive JV. Wanker.

That first speaker also used 'assigned at birth' and said some people say he doesn't exist even when he is standing in front of them - odd, I just can't see people ever saying that - though they may of course question what non-binary means

Yes - definitely a generational thing - all our ancestors who filled out the census every 10 years using sex are so last year.

In the next 10 years, biological sex will miraculously disappear - and we will all be proved wrong!

Pretty ageist of Jeremy to assume that everyone who holds the opposing view must be an old bint and its just a case of waiting for them all to die.

Nice to know he's ok with certain types of discrimination but not others.

It would seem as though the person on the Vine show is trying to get someone (a woman) cancelled.

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