Kemi Badenoch - sensible response

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She appears to get it.

Very clear. Proper provision for everyone.

Brava Kemi, what a great response

Thank you Kemi!!

Isn't it? To work in practice you need to resource it properly, of course.

Thank you, Kemi. A grown up response at last. No chants, no childish slogans, no whataboutery, just the simple facts.

I properly love Kemi. Her speech on critical race theory was fab.

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Isn't it? To work in practice you need to resource it properly, of course.

Absolutely. For which they need accurate statistics.

I really like her. She appears to be sane.

It is a good response but it doesn't address that more often than not receiving funding for DV/refuge provision forces providers to make their services mixed sex as a condition of receiving money. Not to mention all the Stonewall law these places have been trained in.

So it's okay saying that single sex provision has been allowed since 2010 and nothing has changed but that doesn't seem to be the reality on the ground.

The fact that the EqA has been ridden over roughshod needs properly addressing with action.

Is Kemi Badenoch answering for Liz Truss?

Interesting.

Her 'boss' in the Exchequer would surely be Penny Mordaunt?

My god. I am so torn. I find myself agreeing more with Tories and it absolutely fucking kills me a bit inside to say that. But when it comes to womens protection, they are making the most sense.

I can never say this out loud and I feel a bit sick.

That's a great response - really clear, properly informed. Gives me hope! 🙏

I think that’s the first time I’ve seen someone asking about trans rights and receiving a reply that firmly refers to women’s rights. Usually it’s the other way round.

Well this is interesting.

I didn't know anything about either woman. I no longer have a political allegiance. I take every individual and policy piecemeal. I watched the video about critical race theory. Kemi Badenoch was great.

Then I went in search of Apsana Begum. The women in her constituency need to get speaking to her. Cos certain men definitely have. Her Wiki shows that she centres women and BAME communities. I'm guessing all the work there has been done then, if her concern about women's shelters is that they let men in, if they say some magic words?

Also, Ms Begum was nominated by an all-women short-list.

Does she not understand what that means and how that helped her? Or is it a case that women are no longer marginalised in politics - or shelters?!

What would be really refreshing would be the minister pointing out to the questioner, that under the EA2010, an exempted single sex service for women has no duty to also support individuals registered as male at birth. As the provider would have a duty not to discriminate by gender reassignment, but the comparator is women w/o gender reassignment, so they could not exclude transmen or non-binary people registered as female at birth. The questioner has fundamentally misunderstood the law here. Not surprising but there you go. And previous posts are spot on - the current law isn’t the problem, that’s what ‘we’ would seek to defend and implement in practice. The issue is funding and regulatory bodies deciding to officially or unofficially impose Stonewall law on women’s services, with the threat of defunding should they not comply.
There is not enough capacity in DV services full stop, and that needs addressing, and specialist services should be provided where they are needed - for women and men, and transgender people of both sexes. Sadly the overwhelming majority of people needing to access these services are women. Locally we have 5 or 6 DV services listed on the council website, 4 of them are specifically for women from specific ethnic groups as we are a very diverse area. In don’t think there is even an exemption for that under EA2010 but no one is campaigning that the Turkish women’s refuge must also accept white British women, we’re all happy to respect that the Turkish community has developed this service tailored to women from that specific background. I really don’t understand why anyone whom the service is not tailored towards would be wanting to demand access - unless it’s not about the service need at all, perhaps.

Where is the crowdfunder for transwomens DV services?

I really like Kemi, she doesn't suffer fools gladly. I am quite shocked by the question. The good thing is that it's now in Hansard, like the asexuality one from another Labour MP so can be used to pin Keir Starmer down in the future. Is this Labour policy for the future?

Penny Mordaunt is the Paymaster General. Kemi is both Exchequer Secretary and Equalities Minister, so wouldn't report to Mordaunt. I would really like to know exactly what government policy is and I guess I'm not alone. I'd like Kemi as PM

Oh that is another really good response.

Kemi for PM!

I've never been keen on party politics; perhaps it's better to think of Kemi not as a 'Tory' but as a 'conservative' (small c) - she seems to be someone who is willing to conserve what is good or objectively true, not throw it out.

I like Kemi a lot.
And yes the comparator is the persons own Sex isn’t it in the EA?
So a women’s refuge single sex would need to make sure a trans man was not unfairly treated compared to other females but would not have any duty to a trans woman? That’s my understanding.
For equality, service providers have to make sure they treat everyone of the same sex equally and do not exclude them.
People seem to misrepresent this and think it means that trans women have to be treated the same as women but actually the comparator for trans women is men. So male services cannot exclude or unfairly treat a trans woman compared to men using the service.

[quote OhHolyJesus]I properly love Kemi. Her speech on critical race theory was fab.

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Thank you so much for the link. I had a big argument with a group I belong to (mostly woke, mostly but not all TWAW and BLM) about how I think BLM is not relevant to Britain. I wish I had seen this vid because she articulated I wanted to say so well.

Kemi comes across as a genuine, sensible politician; I hope she stays that way.

She is brilliant!

Thank you Kemi Badenoch!

I have a letter from her on my mantle piece assuring me of the protection of women’s rights and safe spaces via my MP.

Yes Kemi for PM!

I say this as a woman who has never voted Conservative in her life!

The past year has had me seriously reconsidering everything.

Good answer, Kemi.

I have quite a lot of time for her, from what I’ve seen.

Cwenthryth

What would be really refreshing would be the minister pointing out to the questioner, that under the EA2010, an exempted single sex service for women hasnoduty to also support individuals registered as male at birth. As the provider would have a duty not to discriminate by gender reassignment, but the comparator is women w/o gender reassignment, so they could not exclude transmen or non-binary people registered as female at birth. The questioner has fundamentally misunderstood the law here. Not surprising but there you go

Yes, exactly. It is transmen (female) who should have access to the refuges.

That is trans inclusivity in action.