MOJ Prison Policy JR TODAY

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Just seen on Twitter.

Will post links

Oh shit! Sorry!

I think the language has been designed to be confusing!

@Ninkanink
Further to that, does anyone other than us ever stop to think why, just why, there is SUCH a drive toward the breakdown of ANY and ALL boundaries??

The breaking down and trampling of boundaries is classic mode of an abusive man: beyond the actual physical beating or rape, a male abuser will invade your personal privacy by tracking your movements or removing your autonomy to move without him at all; he will gaslight and emotionally abuse you so you no longer know have the integrity of your own thoughts - your thought patterns must now just conform to his, you have none of your own, your own judgement or discretion; he will isolate you from your friends and family, or control your relationship with them such that he too is present in them too; he will bully and scare you to the point that going against his will or standing up to him comes at too great a cost; he will violate your sense of morality by harming or threaten to harm those that you hold dear - your children, your pets, your physical possessions. He will utterly control you, through violence, or the threat of violence and through completely overriding any boundary or ringfence you had around your own self. You will cease to exist.
Boundaries are there to protect. That's why the MRAs hate them, and, as we have established, the TRA agenda IS a MRA agenda.

I can't work out from that article whether Jones had a GRC at the time of the attack but already had apparently had a diagnosis of - Gender Identity Disorder - is this still a term used?

'The attempted rape had come just as she had been released on licence from prison in 2002, having served less than half of a five year sentence for manslaughter.

'She had killed Mr Cutler while living as an 18 year old man claiming she had been provoked during a heated row.

A psychiatrist's report later diagnosing Gender Identity Disorder as a significant factor in Jones' claimed loss of control before the killing.'

[quote OhHolyJesus]Haven't read the whole thread but checking on the posts since 5pm this hasn't been shared yet - apols if a repeat.

twitter.com/victoriapeckham/status/1366797831726657541?s=21[/quote]
This link is shocking!

Tbh, though, the presence or not of a penis isn't the be all and end all. Even without a penis a male-born person is likely to be stronger and larger than most women. It is offensive that judges seem to count this one anatomical detail as proof of anything (probably offensive to people on all sides of this issue).

This quote from the political erasure of sex appendix seems apt (my bold)

explicit tactic of the trans rights movement is to bypass the normal democratic procedures of public scrutiny of their policies and proposed legislative changes, because, I would argue, the trans rights movement is actually well aware that when people come to understand the full implications of their project it does create opposition. This is a core mechanism through which policy capture by the interests of the trans rights movement has been effected to the detriment of women’s interests. It is profoundly anti-democratic behaviour and it places a significant question mark over the legitimacy of such policies. This is still a democracy. If you want to change the law in a democracy, people who may – or even, may not – be directly impacted by that law, have a right to discuss it, and even, to oppose it.

@RozWatching "the sort who enjoy conflict"?! That's horrifying. To borrow a phrase, those women who "express sentiments that differentiate [them] from a doormat", eh?

Whereas a convicted rapist who insists on being housed in a women's prison... Not the sort of person who wants any trouble, right?

Amazing fact from high court judicial review today. The MoJ rules the Equality Act doesn't apply to prisons. So if a male-born prisoner guilty of rape or sex crimes against women has a gender recognition certificate they AUTOMATICALLY go in a women's prison. No discretion at all.

From OhHolyJesus link. How on earth can it be that prisoners aren't afforded the protection of the equality act? This makes no sense at all.

Absolutely astonished that MoJ thought EA didn't apply to prisons!

Technically prisons are not a service, they are a public function.

Services and public functions are dealt with together and pretty much identically throughout the EA except that organisations that perform public functions are also obliged to meet the public sector equality duty.

They KNOW the EA applies. That's why they produce these annual equalities reports to help meet their PSED.

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hm-prison-and-probation-service-offender-equalities-annual-report-2019-to-2020

Well they didn’t think hard enough then, did they.

They failed at protecting those vulnerable in their care.

@ArabellaScott

Tbh, though, the presence or not of a penis isn't the be all and end all. Even without a penis a male-born person is likely to be stronger and larger than most women. It is offensive that judges seem to count this one anatomical detail as proof of anything (probably offensive to people on all sides of this issue).

I don’t think any of us can say what the judges are taking as proof. This case does relate to an allegation of sexual assault. I think it was more the fact that even a rapist would be housed with females if they have a GRC. The tweets won’t capture the nuances of the legal arguments. The judges will have a lot of written material to review too. Right now they are probing the weak points of the arguments and clarifying exactly what is being raised.

This case is utterly sickening.

Not only are the Government going against the Geneva Convention, they are wilfully placing women prisoners on an sacrificial altar for the use and abuse of males. This is nothing short of state sanctioned rape and sexual assault of the most vulnerable in society who have NO means of escape.

This happened under the watch of a Conservative Government, the same Conservatives who when in Government stood alongside Angelina Jolie proudly trumpeting and supporting the Declaration of Rape as a War Crime, and yet they are happy for their own citizens within a prison environment to be raped and sexually assaulted for fear of upsetting a cohort of males all whilst lapping up woke cookies and slapping themselves on the back for being progressive and inclusive.

It's an absolute disgrace and I note no-one has been sacked, resigned or even disciplined over the Karen White atrocity.

Just say it out loud for once and for all - "Women you are nothing, we don't care about you or for you".

Following

Just popping in to thank those who are spending time to update, explain the processes and legal wording, etc.

Back to lurking and gardening

I don't want to speak too soon - and it is off topic, but usually we get at least a handful of posters on threads like this coming to call us awful transphobes, asking why we have 'another trans bashing thread' and calling us scaremongerers.

Where are they?

Could it be that this is actually entirely indefensible?!

I’m sickened. And so upset. Could a legal challenge not be brought based on the Geneva Convention?

usually we get at least a handful of posters on threads like this coming to call us awful transphobes, asking why we have 'another trans bashing thread' and calling us scaremongerers

Nah, they’ll just see it as vindication that TWAW.

I am sure the relevant judge(s) - sorry I’ve not looked into it in detail - are taking their time to carefully review this. Tweeting won’t convey the nuance and complexity of such an important issue.

@Tibtom

If the MOJ thkught single sex exemptions did not apply to prisons then why on earth are there male prisons and female prisons? Why are they not mixed? And if single sex exemptions don't apply then when are only transgender male prisons getting to transfer?

Absolutely, and apparently in some facilities the trans prisoners sleep in a separate trans unit and are in with the women during the day which is obviously a risk as well.

They clearly know that there are risks to the women because if twaw they would all in sleep in the same area.

I’ve RTFT but my brain isn’t engaging tonight, has there been a verdict of some kind? Sorry to be frustrating!

Of course it is indefensible. I think they know it’s all coming unravelled now. Interested to know when the MSM actually report on this outrage

I’ve RTFT but my brain isn’t engaging tonight, has there been a verdict of some kind? Sorry to be frustrating!

Me too!

@Wondermule

I’ve RTFT but my brain isn’t engaging tonight, has there been a verdict of some kind? Sorry to be frustrating!

I think they are back tomorrow then there is normally a delay before the judgement.