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Karis Wilson - Canadian teenager sent home from school

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Wetalkedaboutthis · 26/02/2021 21:49

A seventeen year-old high school student in British Columbia was told that her choice of outfit made her female teacher and male student teacher feel "uncomfortable". She was sent to the Principal's office and it was suggested that she should go home and change her clothes.

Naturally, she felt upset and humiliated and her father is outraged on her behalf according to several press reports. www.abbynews.com/news/b-c-teen-in-turtleneck-lace-edged-dress-sent-home-from-school-for-inappropriate-outfit/
infotel.ca/newsitem/kamloops-student-getting-online-support-after-dismissal-from-school-over-outfit/it81126

I don't think humiliating young women for their choice of clothing is right but equally I am not sure that her dress is appropriate for school but I'm old so what do I know?

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MissBarbary · 26/02/2021 21:55

It looks like a petticoat to me. I have one very similar from Whistles. If I turned up at the office wearing that I think someone would take me aside and tell me I'd forgotten to put my dress on.

The reason given is not good. They could have said it made everyone uncomfortable or just it's not suitable for school.

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Wetalkedaboutthis · 26/02/2021 21:58

It also reminded me of a petticoat or a slip dress that I had in the 1990s which I did not wear to work but only for going out in.

I agree that it was a mistake for the teachers to say that her outfit made them feel uncomfortable.

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Aroundtheworldin80moves · 26/02/2021 22:01

The dress either meets the dress code or it doesn't. People's feelings.. a subjective measure.. shouldn't come into it.

MissBarbary · 26/02/2021 22:02

There are some right idiots on the btl

Slips are typically silky and loose, like what they are meant for, to be "slipped" off. This is a cotton-spandex black dress with lace trimmings

Slips can be loose or tight - depends on what you're going to wear on top of it. That is a slip, not a dress.

On the other hand, this makes a good point.

I agree with that school. This most definitely appears to be at slip. Slips are under clothing. Wearing this would be analogous to a guy wearing boxer shorts and calling them shorts and saying that he is appropriately covered

RJnomore1 · 26/02/2021 22:04

There’s bugger all wrong with it.

What a pile of shite.

bourbonne · 26/02/2021 22:04

I don't see why this has made the news (well, I do see why - a depressed economic model favouring lazy clickbait journalism). Regardless of the school's actions, her father is doing her no favours whatsoever. Why can't they work it out directly with the school or school authorities? That would be a much more valuable experience for her than having her name and nightie-clad selfie beamed around the world in a big Papa Bear sulk.

ScoobyBlues · 26/02/2021 22:05

I don't think people of either sex should wear their underwear over their clothes to go to school.

bourbonne · 26/02/2021 22:05

In fact, maybe the real feminist issue is, why is this middle-aged man using his daughter to play out his issues with authority?

Theimpossiblegirl · 26/02/2021 22:06

It's a dress. The style is very in right now with my teen and her friends. They wear them to sixth form, usually with tights, trainers and a baggy jumper. They've not been humiliated and the boys have all managed to control themselves around them. They might get cold but that's it.

QuentinWinters · 26/02/2021 22:07

I like that dress and its fashionable for now. She's wearing it over a polo neck top fgs.
Hate it when schools complain that girls clothes are distracting or make people feel uncomfortable. If there is a dress code someone is not complying with, that's different.

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Wetalkedaboutthis · 26/02/2021 22:07

Totally agree that her father is being self-indulgent and is doing neither of them any favours with his over-emotional monologue.

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Wetalkedaboutthis · 26/02/2021 22:10

I have to admit that the temperature aspect occurred to me as well but apparently BC has some of the mildest weather in Canada, it's still pretty chilly, though.

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Munkeenut · 26/02/2021 22:10

Slips are not called slips because they are going to be 'slipped off' surely, they're called slips because it allows the second layer to slip over them. Sorry that's a tangent.

I've seen teenagers wear worse!

MissBarbary · 26/02/2021 22:13

It is not suitable for school and wouldn't be suitable for an office either.

MissBarbary · 26/02/2021 22:23

www.jigsaw-online.com/product/lace-trim-modal-slip/J39082_BL010

It is underwear. The btl comment about boxer shorts is spot on but maybe her petticoat is identifying as a dress.

laidbacklife · 26/02/2021 22:30

Of course it’s not suitable for school. No need to feel ‘humiliated’ for being pulled up on the uniform code - v common in normal teen circles (at least it was when I was at school). Sounds like she/the father is milking it for their 15 mins. Sad!

RJnomore1 · 26/02/2021 22:41

What a horrible thread being judgemental of a young woman for an outfit. It’s not even one that’s risqué in any form. Truly appalled to find this in feminist chat.

Can anyone define for me what actual difficulty this outfit will cause to the learning of either this young woman or her peers?

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Wetalkedaboutthis · 26/02/2021 22:57

Can you point out where anyone has suggested that "actual difficulty to learning" is the reason cited for the objection to this outfit either in this thread or in the articles?

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donquixotedelamancha · 26/02/2021 23:07

The fact that it looks a bit like a style of underwear is neither here nor there. The function of particular styles of clothes is (unlike sex) merely a social construct. As a PP says, the only question is whether it meets the dress code.

notyourhandmaid · 26/02/2021 23:24

The poor girl.

BilboBercow · 26/02/2021 23:35

Ffs it's not underwear at all. That style of dress was popular in the 90s too and worn over a tshirt. I doesn't even look that short compared with skirts I wore at 17.
Why are we shaming a teenage girl for what she's wearing as opposed to the grown men who stated a child's clothing made them feel "uncomfortable"?

StormcloakNord · 26/02/2021 23:51

I can't get my head around anyone thinking it's inappropriate...

She is wearing it over a white long sleeved turtleneck. You quite literally cannot cover up more than a long sleeved turtleneck.

What the fuck?

StormcloakNord · 26/02/2021 23:53

And honestly if any adult is "uncomfortable" (how ridiculous) at a teenager wearing a white turtle neck with a black dress over it then they need to evaluate themselves seriously.

If you're finding it uncomfortable maybe stop sexualising teenagers and do your job as a teacher ffs.

MissBarbary · 27/02/2021 00:26

@StormcloakNord

I can't get my head around anyone thinking it's inappropriate...

She is wearing it over a white long sleeved turtleneck. You quite literally cannot cover up more than a long sleeved turtleneck.

What the fuck?

I can't get my head around anyone thinking that is suitable for school.

Nellodee · 27/02/2021 00:58

If they have a "business attire" rule, then they can say it's unsuitable. If they have a "must cover shoulders and be no more than one inch above the knee" rule (or some equivalent), then they have no grounds to stand on.

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