TW in Limerick prison wants their sentence reduced

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Apparently 6 years is too long after they were convicted of assaulting their 4 year old stepson over a two year period.

Also in the appeal the courts should have taken into account that prison is so hard when you’re trans.

Incidentally, that third potential male inmate mentioned upthread (or someone purporting to be the subject of the news story) was on twitter claiming the barrister brought up the identity issues as mitigating factor, but seemed to be saying he himself wasn't claiming this.

twitter.com/shaunagrace4/status/1362877703356108803?s=19

In fact his own claims seems to be "police and courts just made things worse", "only God can judge" and "self defence" - he pleaded guilty

But self id hasn't caused any problems in Ireland, of course

@SunsetBeetch

But self id hasn't caused any problems in Ireland, of course

Of course not. Oherwise the paper of record or the national broadcaster or the indo would have covered it. If they didn't cover it, it didnt happen. If someone covered it, they are alt right Nazis, so you shouldn't listen. I suppose media haven't space, what with castigating previous generations about abuses of the past. Ireland has moved on from the strictures of Church! We will never let poor women and children suffer again! (Well, in service to the Chirch we won't. In service to some new hegemon - well ask me again in 40 years)

The hypocrisy is sickening

I thought that the self ID laws meant that womens prisons would remain single sex?

I think that's what everyone thought, TheInebriati

But, hey, they brought in on themselves by being criminals fornicators

Sure they probably love it. That sort always do
🤔

Nothing has changed. I love this country. I love our traditions and rituals and idioms, humour, community spirit. Loads to love.

But I hate the faux rebel mentality.
Everyone now is oh so strong against the forces we vanguished a generation ago.

While allowing more injustice and hardship today because the same old mentality remains. Sone peoples hardship is shrug some people are fawned over. Same attitude as the 50's

If you tried to analyse the two groups, you might find a venn diagram with cervix havers on one side and men on the other. Not much interlap.

There isn't any provision for that in Irish equality legislation AFAIK. It's very clear this aspect wasn't considered when the Gender Recognition Act was brought in (which was originally supposed to have medical oversight or some kind of safeguard and kept getting pushed further and further). So these sex offenders are in with the women. But either people don't know, or they're so deluded they think this is the right way to go about things.

Absolutely Fionn
Official Ireland is right onside and the rest of us might as well be embroidering altercloths.

It's the exact same dynamic - some people are squashed under the carpet to avoid upsetting the moral guardians.

:The law that was enacted in 2015 did not envisage this situation,'

Well women could have predicted it.

See also. Male sex offender put in women's prison sexually assaults inmates...

What is going on? It's fucking obvious that it's a terrible idea.

This child was abused over a two year period. The trans ID means a shorter sentence as it's tricky for them?

This is a paedophile. From the story I'm guessing the single mother was targeted.

This is a dangerous man. Not a vulnerable woman FFS.

While allowing more injustice and hardship today because the same old mentality remains.

On a similar vein, this guy nailed it:

The reason why so many extremely woke people turn out to have been bigoted in the past is because bigotry used to be the best way to bully and intimidate people, but now performative anti-bigotry is the best way to bully and intimidate people. An evolving toolset for sociopaths.

@SarahGoode

You're dead right *@7Days*. Letters to TDs is far more effective.

I agree that it is important to write to our TD's. If we don't then they will be very happy to ignore what is happening. Just don't hold your breath waiting for replies. I wrote last year, and was completely ignored. But the more that people speak up, the more worried they will become.

@NecessaryScene1

While allowing more injustice and hardship today because the same old mentality remains.

On a similar vein, this guy nailed it:

The reason why so many extremely woke people turn out to have been bigoted in the past is because bigotry used to be the best way to bully and intimidate people, but now performative anti-bigotry is the best way to bully and intimidate people. An evolving toolset for sociopaths.

This...every time. Anytime you see one person berating another for their beliefs, watch out. That's about power dynamics.

People who feel insecure, will always take refuge in an idea, without questioning it.
Because, if you are part of a group, if you are on the "right side", if media and figures of authority repeat the idea, then you have some semblance of security and safety.

Anyone who is secure in their beliefs will have an open and questioning mind, and will genuinely engage with a different point of view, without trying to find the holes in it.
Anyone who is secure in their beliefs, is able to row against the tide of opinion.

Unfortunately, it's part of life to feel insecure.
Deal with it.

I'm so angry. Angry at every last person who allows this, defends this, promotes this. The poor child. The poor women. This person clearly isn't even trans if they've had no surgery or hormones and they happened to feel 'like a woman' for the first time around the time of sentencing.

This should not be recorded as a woman's crime. This person should not be afforded any sympathy. They should not be in a woman's prison. I will not pretend this person is somehow female in any way. It's an insult to women to lie to us that this is a woman.

And that Edinburgh trans group would have all self-proclaiming trans offenders be released from prison on account of claiming this identity. This person would walk free for having horrifically abused the poor child.

The sex offenders must be pissing themselves laughing over this loophole.

If trans rights activists had any sense, they'd be joining women in demanding that these people are not put in women's prisons and are called what they are - abusive men. It's not good for trans people if the main association people have is with violent criminal behaviour, is it? Why are they putting up with it?

@Thelnebriati

I thought that the self ID laws meant that womens prisons would remain single sex?

I don't think sex is protected as a characteristic in Ireland. I think maybe an exemption for the church to bar women priests etc. Ironically, discrimination against women as a sex class probably still safe from these wokie guys legislation. Practically four fifths male parliament.

Looking at Catherine Connolly speaking in the Dáil, the shifty dude TD's are in reality no different from the dudes who set women up in the past. Or at the very least didn't give a toss. Roderic O'Gorman who is Minister for children, knowing about the brutality and incarcerations of the past, couldn't be arsed to publicly mark International children's day. Even knowing about the dumped corpses etc. Instead happy to be celebrating Pride with Peter Tatchell who couches his discussions of adult men having sex with children as not being able to condone it. With O'Gorman's weasel words about people's objections to paedophilia being homophobic. Yes, O'Gorman does no honour to people with same sex attraction when he doesn't use his words to distinguish paedophilia from homosexuality.

Investigations in 40 years into the abuses carried out on women and children, because the wokie bros of the Irish state legislated to enable it, will be likewise be given empty platitudes by similarly stone faced men's rights TD's.

Same type of guys who locked women away for having a baby (and they did, County Manager had this power) are now abusing women by legislating to lock them up with male rapists. Especially the vulnerable or impoverished women who experience troubled lives to begin with.

How the hell is this happening to Irish women again?

I'm probably a bit shouty, but am very cross about how these nasty bro's have enthusiastically adopted this bull (from US and elsewhere via Yogyakarta) and are sinking the progress Irish women worked hard to attain in their own state. Regress pretending to be progress.

There is the exemption to treat different genders differently - e.g. to have all-boys, all-girls schools etc - but post-GRC you're just in that other category.

Not well thought through and I'm sick of TRA lies that there was public consultation on the GRA as though anyone could have imagined that the act was overwriting reality for everyone and not just a few troubled souls.

So gender and sex all mixed up. No protection for sex as a real and material characteristic.

Except for the organisations which wish to discriminate against women. Men's clubs and the church etc.

Appalling.

@MNHQ Why on earth was my post at Sun 28-Feb-21 00:59:22 deleted????

Was it the men in fricks reference about catholic priests?

Dont know pickle I cant remember what I wrote to be honest.
But, I dont write anything online that I wouldn't be prepared to stand over in real life, so it wouldn't have been anything abusive.
And the "men in frocks" is a long-standing reference to the Catholic church hierarchy in Ireland (if that's what I wrote).

I rarely remember individual posts. Yours interested me because of your reference to men in 'clerical dress' setting the agenda up until recently, but now a different set of men are telling women what to do. If you see what I mean. It was an astute post. The old fashioned word for dress rarely slips by uncensored, though.

FYI - Sentenced today and will be going into the women’s prison.

Sorry ignore that. It’s a third TW that was sentenced today.