lesbian spaces

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Spaces kicking off Lesbians for stating they're same-sex attracted:

1. DIVA
2. HINGE
3. HER
4. WAPA
5. REDDIT
6. Autostraddle
7. Allure

Anymore?

What lesbian spaces are there for females only?
GIGGLE?

You won't find lesbian spaces now that are female homosexuals only, since if they advertise it they become targets. Many initially tried including TW, but found that as very often when a female only space becomes mixed sex, the purpose of having a female only group and the experience females were attending for was lost. A lot have gone underground, don't advertise to avoid attracting attention, and female homosexuality has become.... well.

We're back to it being a dirty secret, where women will suffer if caught.

Yay progress.

Not to mention, once you've been told that you're 'gatekeeping your vagina' (from what? Think that one out...), 'selfishly prioritising your own orgasms'.... (the 1950s are back, lay back and think of social justice girls, sex isn't supposed to be something you enjoy or do for you, it's all about what you provide to someone more important in the situation than you are...) and 'you can learn to cope with' piv sex if you try, and your sexual orientation is after all only a rather naughty prejudice on your part.....?

You'll remember everything you ever learned on the relationships board about what to look for in a healthy relationship and run a mile.

And you can’t give helpful hints about how to access the groups to anyone on a thread like this who might ask. You can’t even PM them. Because the bunch of misogynist homophobes who police these threads will be watching closely to find out how to penetrate the groups that are hiding from them.

Some of them even use ‘but you can’t tell…’ as a gotcha, not realising that the suggestion that they would try to sneak in against our wishes is the exact opposite.

LGBA tweeted about the Lesbian Space on giggle and the replies are nearly all TRA misogynists saying it can't exclude trans and tagging the charity commission,
twitter.com/ALLIANCELGB/status/1427931345083412485

And you can’t give helpful hints about how to access the groups to anyone on a thread like this who might ask

True Empress. needs thinking about...

Well my username fits! I was lucky enough to go to MichFest (Michigan Women's Music Fest) in 1979 and mis-80s. It was amazing, mostly lesbians, all women. Then the trans activists demanded entry, cut electrical cords and painted ducks on the wood structures. The Lesbian Rights group said we were bigots, the Indigo Girls said they wouldn't perform again because we were bigots. So I guess lesbians have two choices: be accused of bigotry or agree to be raped. Now THAT should make people angry but honestly as a lesbian I don't think anyone cares about us and would h

@MissingLesbianSpaces you have the perfect username for the times we're living in

Missing lesbian spaces came at the LGB conference yesterday. 'A young lesbian asked 'what can I do? what can young lesbians do?' and she was told we're here to support you. It's early days and things aren't in place for young lesbians.

and here's Bev Jackson talking about lesbian spaces on a podcast this week. Extract:
"incursion into lesbian spaces, is really important. Lesbian dating sites have huge numbers of male-bodied individuals on them who call themselves lesbians. This wouldn’t be a problem for somebody like me – I would just say ‘no, thank you’. But imagine a young girl, 18 or 19 years of age, looking for her first girlfriend and saying no to someone because she thinks they look male. People will aggressively ask why. And then she has to try to figure out how to say no without being transphobic"

I had a task with my lesbian DD about just this, she suffers with anxiety and I was concerned she might feel coerced into something she didn't want to do for fear of offending the person involved.
We talked about what she would do if she found herself becoming intimate with someone and they revealed a penis, she said she'd rehearsed it in her head and would say 'no thank you'.
The reality is, if she's got that far and they haven't already mentioned they're a TW then they've already shown themselves to be untrustworthy by keeping an such an integral part of their identity to themselves.
She's very much TWAW, be kind but I do venture into conversations with her expressing a feminist view and discussing people who are harmed when single sex spaces are removed, it's a fine line to read but I think the sunlight is getting in.

Talk not task!

We talked about what she would do
Lucky she had you to talk to. Something needs to done for young lesbians to be able to talk and get advice

When I try to remember my GC journey I can't remember what tipped me over the edge but I'm pretty sure it was a combination of the idea that people with (or who ever had) penises can be lesbians, and the idea that I am a massively transphobic bigot for having an opposite SEX attraction.

Sorry, but when a movement denies lesbians existence whilst accusing me of bigotry for having a sexual orientation it really has lost every single right to be listened to on any level.

Just want to mention, I believe Sally Hines was present on this board a while ago and did get some flack... I think I myself commented my mistrust of her and her app due to her previous stance.

If you are still knocking about on here Sally, I just wanted to thank you.

Thank you for being one of the few who actually did go away to do some fair research and not just call us names and dig your heels in.
Thank you for putting yourself and your story out there publicly. That was really brave.
Thank you for a woman-only app, one of the very few in existence.

Sally Grover not Hines, that’s what I get for trusting my ipad after arguing on twitter!

Her app has added new Terf controls and transphobic reporting options for de-platforming (female same-sex attracted) lesbians

I read somewhere that actual lesbians (the MK1 cunty kind) quite often list Harry potter fandom on their profiles as a sort of tra-repellent...

Isn’t sall Grover being sued? For violating the Australian human rights commission or something like that . She’s very brave, I hope it comes to nothing twitter.com/salltweets/status/1505704246112493569?s=21&t=mHt-TsD_9OWA2X5L76TKhA

This was Her App today. Message heard loud and clear, I think.

If you're a single lesbian on here, get to giggle dating. Stop letting the folks at Her make money out of you.

We’re here for you. TERFs and other phobic people need not download. Now, quote tweet that.

twitter.com/HerSocialApp/status/1509569349161529351?t=yV-6rxXj9OKJ5QJDDfiNBQ&s=19

Not to mention, once you've been told that you're 'gatekeeping your vagina' (from what? Think that one out...), 'selfishly prioritising your own orgasms'.... (the 1950s are back, lay back and think of social justice girls, sex isn't supposed to be something you enjoy or do for you, it's all about what you provide to someone more important in the situation than you are...) and 'you can learn to cope with piv sex if you try.

I know exactly who it is made these particularly loathsome comments, and more besides. They suggested PIV sex with a consensual heterosexual female was tantamount to rape, whereas forcing self-same PIV sex onto a (hypothetical) unwilling lesbian was a-okay. Their defence? The comments stated in the PP quoted above.

That person has serious issues.

During the second wave of the women's movement, there were always exciting events that were 'lesbian only'. These were respected and us het women did not demand entry because, you know, 'respect'. So sad that others don't seem to grasp this in the current climate.

Yes, I remember those. We kept away - and a flatmate of mine actually went to a seminar on "Straight women's place in the women's movement" - she said it became dominated by lesbians in the 2nd meeting. There was a strong lesbian separatist strand to 70s women's movement - they were the pioneers.

And having to think about 'sleeping with the enemy' was very useful - it really made me aware of hetero-normativity, because often at women's lib events (eg the annual women's lib conference) straight women were sometimes in the minority, or questioned about our life choices. It could feel aggressive, but it was important to ask those questions. And to think about one's choices.

Self-reflection and self-questioning (in this respect) are always good things. A pity some activists today don't have this same ethic.