lesbian spaces

[FindTheTruth]

Spaces kicking off Lesbians for stating they're same-sex attracted:

1. DIVA
2. HINGE
3. HER
4. WAPA
5. REDDIT
6. Autostraddle
7. Allure

Anymore?

What lesbian spaces are there for females only?
GIGGLE?

I'm really impressed with Sall Grover.

She took a lot of flak over Giggle (& in the interests of fairness, some of it came from GC women - oddly no death or rape threats, though. Just disappointment & accusations of hypocrisy for marketing her app as 'for women' & yet allowing some TW).

She went away, thought about it, & came back with a coherent, consistent & principled revised decision. Fair play. Other 'trans inclusive' apps certainly exist.

It's noticeable that she's been targeted for horrible abuse since. Women cannot be allowed to have anything nice, it seems.

It's noticeable that she's been targeted for horrible abuse since.

noticeable that the only place inline with UK law (that I/we know of) and woman who made it happen gets escalated abuse. why is equality such a threat to these people? Why not be happy that they've turned the majority of 'lesbian' spaces mixed sex?

It's just all out war on women and lesbians in particular

Please tell me where the female, invite only fb sites are and how you get into them! I’m (very) recently “out” and would be great to meet women who are likeminded, I tried lex and it’s toxic and there’s only so many times you can google “where do i meet gender critical lesbians”....

I can’t believe that saying same exact attraction is offensive doesn’t breach the equalities act, she should have taken it to court, the outcome would have been really interesting.

I don't think I can face typing out my distress at being a newly out lesbian expressing horror when confronted with a male person claiming to be a lesbian, only to find the thread or post deleted again. The Equality Act 2010 isn't worth the paper it's written on.

Sorry Bunting and to Sappho and others too.

I'm just here to express my sympathy for lesbians who have felt let down and hurt by recent deletion on here.

I'm with you. And we all know what the problem is, even if we're not allowed to talk about it.

@BuntingEllacott

I don't think I can face typing out my distress at being a newly out lesbian expressing horror when confronted with a male person claiming to be a lesbian, only to find the thread or post deleted again. The Equality Act 2010 isn't worth the paper it's written on.

Bunting

@SirSamuelVimes

That letter is outstanding.

It really is.

I saw someone describe a founder of LGB Alliance as "theoritically bisexually". Are "theoretical" bisexual women allowed in Lesbian spaces?

Brilliant letter 

And thanks for starting this thread OP. I'm racking my brain trying to think of female only lesbian spaces but can't think of any.

Someone wise on this Board (I think it was Datun) once pointed out it's the TRAs that are turning the tide. The pressure to date non-females aside, I'd bet not many coupled up lesbians really want to be in groups with TW posing in their underwear and chatting about lipstick.

Even describing oneself as a lesbian can be controversial in some spaces, my wife told me it's better to use the word queer as it's more inclusive.

I'm hopeful lesbians will rise up against this shit. I'll be leading the way.

Welcome out the closet btw BuntingEllacott

Even describing oneself as a lesbian can be controversial in some spaces, my wife told me it's better to use the word queer

This makes me so sad. I'm straight, but I remember being at uni with a whole crowd of young gay men and lesbians who were so happy that they could be out and open and proud, that they could say "I'm gay" or "I'm a lesbian" openly, especially for a couple of my really close friends who had come to uni from a very small town, and one of them a Catholic family & high school, and it was the first time in their life they could just be. To think that in less than twenty years that freedom to declare your sexuality openly has gone is just awful.

To think that in less than twenty years that freedom to declare your sexuality openly has gone is just awful.

I think it's worse than it was under section 28 in the 1980s. At least then lesbians had friends even if teachers couldn't talk about it. At least there were spaces in cities and magazines or newspapers. Now lesbians are kicked out as bigots.

humans need community. what human can withstand being told they're wrong and rejected by everyone in society and being called hateful for saying who they're attracted to?

what options do younger lesbians have today in the UK or around the world? single-sex lesbian spaces have vanished, same-sex attracted females are abused and women speaking out against it are called hate groups (e.g. Labour party motion)

And representation has vanished in government and the media. For example the government LGBT panel all party parliamentary group (APPG) doesn't have a single person standing up for same-sex attraction. The BBC rarely airs the views of females standing up for same-sex attraction.

sexual orientation is a protected characteristic in the Equality Act 2010, but it's be rendered meaningless as public bodies have been taught it's hateful by organisations claiming to represent lesbians.

how can it be hateful to be who you are? especially when you're not hurting anyone else?

what does it say about society when lesbians are denied community and abused for what they are?

@SapphosRock

Brilliant letter 

And thanks for starting this thread OP. I'm racking my brain trying to think of female only lesbian spaces but can't think of any.

Someone wise on this Board (I think it was Datun) once pointed out it's the TRAs that are turning the tide. The pressure to date non-females aside, I'd bet not many coupled up lesbians really want to be in groups with TW posing in their underwear and chatting about lipstick.

Even describing oneself as a lesbian can be controversial in some spaces, my wife told me it's better to use the word queer as it's more inclusive.

I'm hopeful lesbians will rise up against this shit. I'll be leading the way.

Welcome out the closet btw BuntingEllacott

I’m in a fb group for women who came out later in life. It allows trans people (Mtf and Ftm 🤔) , and we have to use “inclusive language”. Recently a post popped up from someone saying they were going to aggressively jump on any post that wasn’t inclusive enough and the admin shouldn’t “tone police”. The admin said they didn’t think this was okay and they’ve now split the group into one “queer group” and one for “people who identify as women...” it has royally kicked off. On the one hand I feel devastated that people are receiving so much abuse for this, it’s a terrible sign of the times, but on the other I feel it’s a positive step that there are at least some steps to preserving female spaces!

The admin said they didn’t think this was okay and they’ve now split the group into one “queer group” and one for “people who identify as women...” it has royally kicked off

Wow Gits how did they define the two groups out of interest?

One group is for “people who identify as women“ (inc tw but not trans men or non binary) and one for everyone inc all “queers” where no non inclusive language will be used and there will be “active education” for all.

Can’t completely wrap my mind around it yet!

Does anyone else find the phrase "active education for all" quite chilling?

Yes I find it chilling too SirS as the words crop up in public bodies like Brighton & Hove NHS and Councils and have come straight from biggest LGBTQ lobby group telling people to educate themselves about LGBTQ history and telling people that "It’s important to let those with bigoted views know that they are not in a world where they can marginalise or bully those that need our support - and this is really the essence of what being an ally is all about."

@SapphosRock I'm really, really pissed off on your behalf about that deleted thread.

We've disagreed on some stuff over the years (I'm a fairly regular name changer), but you've always come across as a thoughtful good egg, if you don't mind me saying so.

That was a shit decision by MNHQ.

@SirSamuelVimes

Does anyone else find the phrase "active education for all" quite chilling?

It’s super chilling.

The sheer amount of abuse the admin are receiving for it is insane, it shows you the power these people have. Someone posted “I am not a woman - am I not welcome here?”. I feel like answering - this is a group for lesbians!! But obviously I can’t because I’ll be ejected and I need the support.
It’s shocking that lesbians are being so marginalised even within their own fucking spaces.

Thanks CorvusPurpureus - kind of you to say.

It's ridiculous that basically anyone can identify into being a lesbian. If any straight man can join our groups, claiming to be a lesbian then what's the point in having them at all?

You know that feminist quote 'Feminism is the radical notion that women are people'

Well as per the OP lesbians really do need their own spaces based on 'the radical notion that women are lesbians'

We need a new dating site and app which obv needs to be called 'The Free Radicals'

I might set that up one day.

Please set that up @SapphosRock 😁

My group is now closed because the admin received hundreds of abusive messages in her inbox overnight and doesn’t want to do it anymore, it seems people have now been mostly directed to another group run by a TRA.

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