"Theydies and gentlethems"

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... is what the clothing brand Lucy & Yak thinks people should use instead of ladies and gentlemen or guys and gals when referring to others in posts in their official Facebook group. "Folx" is also acceptable as is anything else gender-neutral.

I'm in the group because I quite like their clothes but not sure I'll ever want to buy from them now if they are so keen to erase my identity as a woman.

Someone also suggested they do Harry Potter themed clothes the other week and you can imagine how well that went down. (The admins immediately posted a link about JKR being transphobic and closed the comments.)

Same here Hermits. Morning gory would be more apt when I look in the mirror of a morning.

Hey, change makers!

That's my choice. Absolutely not homies. I don't think my council estate credentials are enough to carry that off. I'm sure it would be appropriation and just plain embarrassing. Like William Hague boasting about many pints he could drink when courting the working class vote.

@MotherWitch

That reminds me of the "Guys, gals and non-binary pals!" I saw in a Facebook group once

I quite like that.

Hey, change makers!

Not inclusive of those who maintain the status quo, which is sometimes essential.

That reminds me of the "Guys, gals and non-binary pals!" I saw in a Facebook group once

I'd rather just 'guys' than 'gals'. I know opinions vary, I've got used to 'guys' as a neutral having worked in a mostly US team for decades. But I categorically am not a 'gal'.

This all reminds me of the lack of casual/neutral ways to greet a group of grown women. I don't feel like a guy or a gal.

I can't see "guys and gals" without hearing Jimmy Savile's voice. It makes me shudder.

I really like Lucy and Yak clothes for their ethics but they are very woker-than-you in their attitude. Their IG account is currently LGBTQIA+ and black history month combined. They did cover Audre Lorde but she is the only woman they covered.

They did have a recent row regarding sizes as a previous OP said. I was early to the L&Y party and have been wearing them since 2017. A friend was admiring one of my many pairs one day and I was shocked to hear that they didn't do them in her size (about 20?). I know they have been pulled up on this but it seemed strange for a brand who pride themselves in 'being as inclusive as possible'.

Ugh it's all just so First... World... Problems...

Well, at least they know about maternity, mums, and breastfeeding. 😁

@ErrolTheDragon

That reminds me of the "Guys, gals and non-binary pals!" I saw in a Facebook group once

I'd rather just 'guys' than 'gals'. I know opinions vary, I've got used to 'guys' as a neutral having worked in a mostly US team for decades. But I categorically am not a 'gal'.

I hate "guys". I am not a guy. I do not answer to "guy". I have no objection to "gal" I don't understand the pandering to the male default.

Guy is not gender neutral. It's the same argument that brushes aside any objections about skirts being removed as an option for school uniform because trousers are gender neutral. They aren't in that context- it's simply making the male option the default; same as "guys".

@TheChampagneGalop

This all reminds me of the lack of casual/neutral ways to greet a group of grown women. I don't feel like a guy or a gal.

"Hi, everyone" It's really not difficult.

I meant words for women, specifically. When "girls" sounds too young and "ladies" too formal.

I like ladies and gentlemen but that is perhaps best suited to a formal occasion.

Beyond black tie dinners and the like I'm struggling to see why it is necessary generally to distinguish between sexes (or genders) when one says "good morning" or "welcome" or " great to see so many of you here today" etc, etc.

Awright, my cockers.

🤢 bleurgh is my response to the title!

I think theydies and gentlethems only works written down.
Well that’s the problem with a lot of work terminology isn’t it - womxn, folx etc - the youngsters are a lot more used to communicating via social media than in person that how things are actually pronounced is mostly irrelevant.

I’m actually in the market for some dungarees, I’ve never had a pair before. L&Y were my radar but I’m sure they wouldn’t want my terfy money. Can anyone suggest more inclusive alternatives who don’t wish to erase my identity?

*WOKE terminology, not work terminology!!!! Although, actually a lot of the shorthand terms I use in my clinical notes at work is quite unpronounceable too.

@JellySlice

How would that change anything?

(I can't be the only one who read it as "They dies and gentles them.")

Sounds like a line out of a serial killer movie.

I’ve had too much wine and we are watching Muppets Most Wanted. The thread title made me laugh.

@Cwenthryth

🤢 bleurgh is my response to the title!

I think theydies and gentlethems only works written down.
Well that’s the problem with a lot of work terminology isn’t it - womxn, folx etc - the youngsters are a lot more used to communicating via social media than in person that how things are actually pronounced is mostly irrelevant.

I’m actually in the market for some dungarees, I’ve never had a pair before. L&Y were my radar but I’m sure they wouldn’t want my terfy money. Can anyone suggest more inclusive alternatives who don’t wish to erase my identity?

The Yak clothes are hideous- unless someone actually wants to dress as a toddler, a clown or an employee of a d.i.y warehouse.

No idea what these are like in reality but on a web page are far nicer.

www.freddiesofpinewood.co.uk/product-category/ladies/ladies-jeans/

I agree with MissBarbary about guys and the male default. I'm afraid I nevertheless lapse into using it, but it is male default.

All that hoohar last year about size inclusivity and they've massively reduced their tall range. I used to love them (I'm wearing their dungarees now) but I don't think I want to buy from them now. By being so "inclusive" they've excluded people like me

Maybe they are addressing the Yaks? TBF I would struggle to correctly sex a yak

grasps as straws

• TBF I would struggle to correctly sex a yak

By their horns.

I'm struggling to see why it is necessary generally to distinguish between sexes (or genders) when one says "good morning" or "welcome" or " great to see so many of you here today" etc, etc.

Exactly so. I think if I have to present in a meeting I just say hi or hello everyone.

What I was thinking of was how there are a lot of informal words for men (guys, blokes, bros, dudes) that don't really have an equivalent for women. Instead the male ones are sometimes supposed to include us too (guys). Men as standard.

Hmm, 'guys' has never bothered me, though I understand why people don't like it.

Maybe because nobody would ever say to a man on his own 'hey, guy' in the way you hear 'hey, dude' or 'hey, man'.

I think in my head I differentiate between the second person 'guys' and the noun 'guy'.

The problem is, there is no informal way of addressing women or speaking about a woman. If I'm talking about a colleague with whom I have a close rapport, saying 'a woman I work with' or 'a lady I work with' sounds overly formal and distant. I am inclined to think that 'girl' does have a secondary meaning similar to 'guy', but I appreciate that it's a tricky one.

'Gals' sets my teeth on edge. 'Birds' and 'chicks' are obviously out. I'm not keen on 'ladies', especially when used by blokes. The only term I have ever heard which I quite like is 'chicas', but that's hard to pull off in the UK.