DDOS attack

[MrsWooster]

I wonder why MN is subject to a cyber attack.

When will the TRAs/MRAs finally realise that we will NOT back down. We will NOT stand back. Whatever threats or stunts or tactics they use, we will NOT shut up.

@ShulamithFirestone

When will the TRAs/MRAs finally realise that we will NOT back down. We will NOT stand back. Whatever threats or stunts or tactics they use, we will NOT shut up.

Has a TRA/MRA come forward and taken responsibility for the attack? Someone please fill me in!

@inthew00d

There is none, and pattern of previous attacks gives no reason to suspect that would become the case now; especially given hackers' chatter about their reasons - which boiled down to shitz and giggles in successful,attack on a big site, or in the case of trying to steal passwords their view that the demographic here was likely to include those middle aged people who were perceived as more likely than general popuiation to use the same password across sites

Just so you know, Helen from Mermaids is very upset that we're blaming trans activists. Even though she monitors mumsnet like our own personal security camera, and constantly updates her 15,000 followers on how awful we are.

Apparently Mumsnet website went down earlier because of a DDoS attack.

And of course the transphobes from the “feminism” forum are blaming trans people!
🙄🙄🙄

twitter.com/mimmymum/status/1363243592882470913?s=19

Hi Helen!

@inthew00d

Wait, what have I missed? Where is the evidence that this is an attack motivated by feminism chat?

There is none. It’s generally because there are men who don’t like women.

@PotholeParadies

Just so you know, Helen from Mermaids is very upset that we're blaming trans activists. Even though she monitors mumsnet like our own personal security camera, and constantly updates her 15,000 followers on how awful we are.

Apparently Mumsnet website went down earlier because of a DDoS attack.

And of course the transphobes from the “feminism” forum are blaming trans people!
🙄🙄🙄

twitter.com/mimmymum/status/1363243592882470913?s=19

Hi Helen!

I have to say I agree. There is no reason to assume this was done by any certain group and asserting that it my be trans activist is not a good look.

MN is a big site. It will always be the target for attacks.

The evidence is purely circumstantial.

It's half-term, our threads have been very heavily policed (leaving them looking like cartoon slices of cheese) and we've been getting some odd drive-by posters, culminating in a particular thread in the early hours of this morning. It's been deleted now, but you can read how the OP thought it went on twitter and their perspective on the replies they received.

twitter.com/WhatTheTrans/status/1363055992372617216?s=19

Now we have a DDoS attack. It's not hard to connect threads to each other. The problem is whether you're misreading the knitting pattern, and it's actually p2tog not k2tog

A TRA started a thread overnight which got deleted, then reported back to Twitter with various fantasies about Mumsnet feminists. Other TRAs were outraged. Within an hour or so, Mumsnet was being attacked. Circumstantial yes, but not unsuspicious.

Just so you know, Helen from Mermaids is very upset that we're blaming trans activists. Even though she monitors mumsnet like our own personal security camera, and constantly updates her 15,000 followers on how awful we are.

Mermaids have said themselves that they have some ‘cheeky supporters.’ I think that was about that epidemic of cyber-squatting a couple of years ago. Some pillock bought up a load of names that were very similar to the names of GC websites & pointed them at the Mermaids site.

Trans people =/= trans rights activists.

Before all the trans thing

Justine was swatted while her kids were in the house

And more than one DDOS attack.

Men don't like women talking.

And I am very grateful that MN has not folded. They are in a tricky spot. They are brave.

It's still there by the way, Transgendertrend dot Co dot UK takes you to Mermaids rather than transgendertrend.com no wonder people are suspicious 🤷

@NiceGerbil

Before all the trans thing

Justine was swatted while her kids were in the house

And more than one DDOS attack.

Men don't like women talking.

And I am very grateful that MN has not folded. They are in a tricky spot. They are brave.

Justine and another MNer who had engaged with him. Just some woman like any of us.

I think it isn’t right to attribute this to any group other than men who don’t like women talking, and there are a lot of those for all sorts of reasons.

@notyourhandmaid

Trans people =/= trans rights activists.

Completely. I think we all need to be very clear and not confuse the two.

In any group there will be people who are militant twats. For example I’ve been vegetarian for years but I don’t go around protesting outside butchers.

Absolutely.
Trans people =/= trans rights activists.

Completely. I think we all need to be very clear and not confuse the two.

IIndeed. Just for the record, again, most of us realise this and are respectful to trans people who aren't actively trying to remove our rights or encourage misogyny.
Sometimes we forget this 'goes without saying' when we say a lot.
There is the odd trans man or female partner of trans man that contributes here (and of course, many mothers of trans people and partners of transitioning trans women) but it's the 'activists' we see much more often who deny there is any problem at all with women's rights.

@notyourhandmaid

Trans people =/= trans rights activists.

This. It’s very telling that Helen, and many ‘allies’ like her, conflate the two. It would surely be in the interests of trans people if genuine allies thoroughly repudiate the actions of the barbed-wire-baseball-bat-brigade; the fact that they don’t, always strikes me as tacit approval...

“ It would surely be in the interests of trans people if genuine allies thoroughly repudiate the actions of the barbed-wire-baseball-bat-brigade; the fact that they don’t, always strikes me as tacit approval...”

Meanwhile, on another thread in AIBU I’m being called a TRA for disagreeing with a GC poster.

Labelling everyone on mn who stands up for anything or anyone related to trans people as TRAs is massively unhelpful.

Deciding that all trans allies are tacitly approving extreme activists is downright offensive.

justamother
The particular trans ally in question chose to specifically label criticism of TRAs as criticism of transpeople. She is a very high profile poster within a very high profile organisation followed by a LOT of trans allies.
It is pretty fucking offensive to see all actions linked to protecting women’s rights labelled as ‘transphobic’, yet here we are.

Rather a lot of trans activists aren't trans.

See the majority of the people denouncing FGM campaigners this week. Load of white women who call themselves cis, telling a black woman how to talk to her target audience, which is mostly neither white Germans nor white Americans.

It’s very telling that Helen, and many ‘allies’ like her, conflate the two.

Well, except when she wants to take a trans person to court for transphobia, of course.

@JustAmotherOne

“ It would surely be in the interests of trans people if genuine allies thoroughly repudiate the actions of the barbed-wire-baseball-bat-brigade; the fact that they don’t, always strikes me as tacit approval...”

Meanwhile, on another thread in AIBU I’m being called a TRA for disagreeing with a GC poster.

Labelling everyone on mn who stands up for anything or anyone related to trans people as TRAs is massively unhelpful.

Deciding that all trans allies are tacitly approving extreme activists is downright offensive.

Well, I mean this kindly, but posting this here as if we're all the same as the poster who called you a TRA is kind of doing the same thing? Conversation on these boards would be a lot clearer if people would respond directly to the posts mentioned rather than saying 'you all think xyz and it's not helpful'.

@ErrolTheDragon

It’s very telling that Helen, and many ‘allies’ like her, conflate the two.

Well, except when she wants to take a trans person to court for transphobia, of course.

Good point, well made!