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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Please help me draft a response to my company's new stance on toilets

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Flamingo49 · 18/02/2021 16:35

The company I work for has just produced a "Commitment to Trans Equality" document, 99% of which I wholeheartedly agree with. We then come to the sticky issue of toilets, where the doc says "It is up to you to decide which gender toilet you wish to use" and then "The following are examples of unacceptable behaviour: objecting when a trans employee uses the toilet facilities of their affirmed gender".

I feel so annoyed and frustrated by this. Is it really "unacceptable behaviour" to open up a debate about why single sex spaces are so important for women? I feel like this has been written without any acknowledgement or appreciation of the women who have their own adverse life experiences and might find it incredibly threatening to find someone who looks and sounds like a man (regardless of how they identify), in what was a safe single sex space. I say this in the context of women historically being the ones to have to move aside and accommodate the feelings of others, to dismiss their own feelings of discomfort in order to placate others. I really struggle to put my feelings into words though. Can I have some help with how to respond? I work in a very forward thinking, socially inclusive environment and I don't think any challenge will go down well.

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MichelleofzeResistance · 21/02/2021 09:53

I was repeatedly harassed by a man at work in my first job. It wouldn't have been anything I could have stood up to - these days if I saw it he'd get a cold stare and his arse handed to him, but at 20? You don't know what to do with the smirks and the overt eyes on your boobs and bum and the risque 'bantz' that just push all the time, and the constant gentle walking on your boundaries while giving you that grin that says how much he's enjoying his power and what it's doing to you, and that you can't do a thing about it.

If he'd been able to follow me into a loo, I would have only ever peed off site and gone to work in nappies to avoid period issues.

It's still a stupid argument. I have many men friends and relatives. I adore them. They are lovely men who would never do anything to upset, intimidate or hurt anyone. I still would not want to undress in front of them or change a tampon in the stall next to them. I don't want to. And they would be as embarrassed and unwilling about mixed sex facilities in turn.

Look at the post above: why does anyone think men, with single sex stall toilets, are choosing to go into the single room disabled toilet to poo? Could it be because when they're half naked and sitting down they feel vulnerable and there are some bodily functions they want privacy and dignity around without witnesses? Women feel like this all the bloody time .

And this was fine and normal until those boundaries began to interfere with the personal wishes and freedoms of less than 1% of the populace. Their needs and choices can be met in other ways. If the only solution acceptable is to strip away privacy, dignity, equal respect for feelings, and plain and simple access for some then the only possible just, equal answer is No.

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