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Pseudo-realities, Power and Language Games

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MoleSmokes · 18/02/2021 02:14

I was away reading "New Discourses" by James Lindsay and when I came back that 50:50 thread was maxed-out. Funny, because it reminded me of the Pseudo-Realities, Power and Language Games thing. These extracts exceed the character limit so will run over more than one post.

(Oh, and I have bolded the word "power" from time to time, when I got an eerie echo of the Ghost of 50:50).

“The Nature of Pseudo-realities”

“Pseudo-realities are, simply put, false constructions of reality. It is hopefully obvious that among the features of pseudo-realities is that they must present a plausible but deliberately wrong understanding of reality. They are cult “realities” in the sense that they are the way that members of cults experience and interpret the world—both social and material—around them. We should immediately recognize that these deliberately incorrect interpretations of reality serve two related functions. First, they are meant to mold the world to accommodate small proportions of people who suffer pathological limitations on their abilities to cope with reality as it is. Second, they are designed to replace all other analyses and motivations with power, which these essentially or functionally psychopathic individuals will contort and deform to their permanent advantage so long as their pseudo-real regime can last.

Pseudo-realities are always social fictions, which, in light of the above, means political fictions. That is, they are maintained not because they are true, in the sense that they correspond to reality, either material or human, but because a sufficient quantity of people in the society they attack either believe them or refuse to challenge them. This implies that pseudo-realities are linguistic phenomena above all else, and where power-granting linguistic distortions are present, it is likely that they are there to create and prop up some pseudo-reality. This also means that they require power, coercion, manipulation, and eventually force to keep them in place. Thus, they are the natural playground of psychopaths, and they are enabled by cowards and rationalizers. Most importantly, pseudo-realities do not attempt to describe reality as it is but rather as it “should be,” as determined by the relatively small fraction of the population who cannot bear living in reality unless it is bent to enable their own psychopathologies, which will be projected upon their enemies, which means all normal people.

Normal people do not accept pseudo-reality and interpret reality more or less accurately, granting the usual biases and limitations of human perspective. Their common heuristic is called common sense, though much more refined forms exist in the uncorrupted sciences. In reality, both of these are handmaidens of power, but in pseudo-realities, this is inverted. In pseudo-reality, common sense is denigrated as bias or some kind of false consciousness, and science is replaced by a scientism that is a tool of power itself. For all his faults and the faults of his philosophy (which enable much ideological pseudo-reality), Michel Foucault warned us about this abuse quite cogently, especially under the labels “biopower” and “biopolitics.” These accusations of bias and false consciousness are, of course, projections of the ideological pseudo-realist, who, by sheer force of rhetoric, transforms limitations on power into applications of power and thus his own applications of power into liberation from it. Foucault, for any insight he provided, is also guilty of this charge.

It must be observed that people who accept pseudo-realities as though they are “real” are no longer normal people. They perceive pseudo-reality in place of reality, and the more thoroughly they take on this delusional position, the more functional psychopathy they necessarily exhibit and thus the less normal they become. Importantly, normal people consistently and consequentially fail to realize this about their reprogrammed neighbors. Perceiving them as normal people when they are not, normal people will reliably misunderstand the motivations of ideological pseudo-realists - power and the universal installation of their own ideology so that everyone lives in a pseudo-reality that enables their pathologies—usually until it is far too late.

As a result of this failure of perspective, many particularly epistemically and morally open normal people will reinterpret the claims of pseudo-reality into something that is plausible in reality under the usual logic and morals that guide our thinking, and this reinterpretation will work to the benefit of the pseudo-realists who have ensnared them. This sort of person, who stands between the real world and the pseudo-real are useful idiots to the ideology, and their role is to generate copious amounts of epistemic and ethical camouflage for the pseudo-realists.

This phenomenon is key to the success, spread, and acceptance of pseudo-realities because without it very few people outside of small psychologically, emotionally, or spiritually unwell people would accept a pseudo-reality as if it is a superior characterization of the genuine article. Clearly, the more plausible the account of pseudo-reality on offer, the stronger this effect will be, and the more power the ideologues who believe in it will be able to accrue.

Pseudo-realities may have any degree of plausibility in their distorted descriptions of reality, and thus may recruit different numbers of adherents. They are often said to be accessible only by applying a “theoretical lens,” awakening a specialized “consciousness,” or by means of some pathological form of faith. Whether by “lens,” “consciousness,” or “faith,” these intellectual constructs exist to make the pseudo-reality seem more plausible, to drag people into participating in it against their will, and to distinguish those who “can see,” “are awake,” or “believe” from those who cannot or, as it always eventually goes, will not. That is, they are the pretext to tell people who inhabit reality instead of pseudo-reality that they’re not looking at “reality” correctly, which means as pseudo-reality. This will typically be characterized as a kind of willful ignorance of the pseudo-reality, which will subsequently be described paradoxically as unconsciously maintained. Notice that this puts the burden of epistemic and moral responsibility on the person inhabiting reality, not the person positing its replacement with an absurd pseudo-reality. This is a key functional manipulation of pseudo-realists that must be understood. The ability to recognize this phenomenon when it occurs and to resist it is, at scale, the life and death of civilizations.

Adoption of a pseudo-reality tends to hinge upon a lack of ability or will to question, doubt, and reject them and their fundamental presuppositions and premises of the pseudo-reality. Therefore, the “logical” and “moral” systems that operate within the pseudo-reality will always seek to manufacture this failure wherever they can, and successful pseudo-realist attacks will evolve these features like a social virus until their effectiveness is very high. This deficiency is often the direct result of mental illness, usually paranoia, schizoidia, anxiety, or psychopathy, however, so maintaining and manufacturing these states in themselves and normal people is strongly incentivized by the false “logic” and false “morality” of the ideological pseudo-reality. That is, the methods and means applied in service to a pseudo-reality will create and manipulate psychological weaknesses in people to get them to carry water for a destructive lie. The nicer, more tolerant, and more charitable a community is, supposing it lacks the capacity to spot these counterfeits early on, the more susceptible its members will tend to be to these manipulations.”

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AdHominemNonSequitur · 21/02/2021 11:23

Second wave Feminists do to a certain extent deal with invisible power structures (The patriarchy) just not with identity politics. I think Lindsay reserves his scorn for the 3rd wave of feminism who are queer theory driven and are deliberately trying to undermine the binaries with language themselves. They believe it is gender and not sex that is the cause of their oppression. That's part of the problem. 3rd wave feminists are postmodern queer activists. This is the 4th wave pushback.

RadandMad · 21/02/2021 12:14

@AdHominemNonSequitur Yes, I wondered if that were the case. Unfortunately he never makes that distinction, and frequently (and absurdly) snipes at feminists en masse, thereby throwing those of us who actually understand what he says and are fighting at the sharp end of these absurd ideologies right under the bus.

I try not to let this bother me too much. Have even listened to Carl (Sargon) and agreed with much of what he says until he's vile about women. Peterson isn't so bad, but still, like Benjamin Boyce has a whiff of misogyny about him. It's disappointing. The only alternative commentators who never seem to shit on feminists are Andrew Doyle and the Spiked bloke, Brendan O'Neill.

AdHominemNonSequitur · 21/02/2021 13:04

Yep, I still like Lindsay though, he is defending secular liberalism and rationalism against the tide of all postmodern ideology and as concerned about critical race theory as queer theory. I think Peterson is more anti feminist ( though I don't think he is misogynist), he comes from a hierarchies exist and always will and this is the best sort of hierachy point of view. He often talks about women naturally (on average) being less interested in STEM subjects, more agreeable and gravitating more to caring professions even in very socially 'level' societies like Denmark with high taxes, shared parental leave and free childcare etc, which is backed by the science and I totally buy, but he fails to grasp that these areas are undervalued and underpaid because they are perceived as feminine.

RadandMad · 21/02/2021 13:10

@AdHominemNonSequiturYes, exactly that. I've noticed Peterson always stops short at that point too. I don't disagree with him at all about female preferences, but he never does ask himself the obvious, does he? Why are caring professions so badly paid? Why does society value 'men's' work so much more than 'women's'. It's a fundamental flaw in his thinking, plus he tends to ignore the other big reason for the pay gap and that's men not pulling their weight when it comes to childcare and having to have time off work to do it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/02/2021 13:12

Yes, I don't think men like Lindsay are feminists or even feminist allies. But their role (and that of women like Helen Pluckrose, who has worked with Lindsay on various projects and co-wrote Critical Theories, and also isn't exactly a friend to feminists) is pretty invaluable in exposing the pseudoscience of woke politics.

I agree JL is a bit of a knob but I think his voice is needed.

NecessaryScene1 · 21/02/2021 16:54

Unfortunately he never makes that distinction, and frequently (and absurdly) snipes at feminists en masse

Well, his focus is the woeful state of academia, and so the feminism he's talking about is feminism as she is currently practiced in the academy. The people doing feminist geography and fat studies.

He certainly isn't a feminist, so to him, "feminism" is primarily about a certain trend in current academia that arose from "feminist" academics, which has nothing to do with women per se.

If you'll permit me, I'd say you're doing a "not all feminists are like this" and grumbling that he isn't putting in a "not all feminists" disclaimer.

If you're feeling a bit upset about that, then maybe that's how men feel when the "not all men" is missing from anything a feminist says...

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/02/2021 17:49

My DP listened to the podcast of this on my recommendation and I think he found it useful to his understanding of this issue. So that audience of not particularly woke men who have respect for truth and science is important and their support helps us even if they aren't feminist.

picklemewalnuts · 21/02/2021 21:58

Thank you for today's posts. I have been mulling over the video, and what it infers- or seems to- about feminism. The video challenged me about the times I notice bias and disadvantage against women, and shout 'privilege' to someone who disagrees. It was a good lesson for me to understand how my economist son and husband see things.

It was good to read how you all square it, as I'm not at all read in feminist theory of any kind.

7Days · 22/02/2021 00:25

I've heard the Meghan Murphy podcast that had JL as a guest.
He certainly didnt proclaim himself a feminist. But MM did draw out of him the differences between Fair is Fair feminism (T fuckin M Grin - I'm paraphrasing) and queer theory informed feminism - he supported the former, was the overall impression. He is probably not the type to make pronouncements on things he hasn't researched to a high degree, which is good.
He is acting the knob on Twitter these days. But still comes across genuine decent and intelligent in speech. Maybe it's a fuck the lot o' yiz sort of attitude.

BitOfFun · 22/02/2021 04:45

I've just bought the Helen Pluckrose/James Kindsay book on audible with a credit (I wish I could afford the kindle version this month tbh) after listening to the YouTube interview. I suppose we just HAVE to keep talking about all this and give it some sunlight.

NecessaryScene1 · 22/02/2021 06:38

He is acting the knob on Twitter these days. But still comes across genuine decent and intelligent in speech. Maybe it's a fuck the lot o' yiz sort of attitude.

He certainly is, but it's quite calculated. (He's a mathematician, like me - we find it hard to do anything involving people naturally!) It's hard to put into words what he's doing, but here are some of my takes:

  1. He's trying to draw attention to himself. Any attention will do - he just wants more people to hear him.
  2. He's trying to shake people out of their complacency. Long essays like the OP don't seem to be cutting it, and we're sinking.
  3. He's trying to filter his audience+interactions somewhat by excluding those who are more worried about tone/politeness/what other people will think about who they're hanging out with. He's using this to assess other people's character - if they won't take him seriously despite his antics, they're not thinking critically enough. "Come back to me later when you get it" sort of thing.
  4. He's playing word/pseudo-reality games in the style of the critical theorists to try to make people see the techniques. Keep changing the subject but use the same techniques, and you stop paying attention the subjects and can start to see the problems in the techniques and reject them as bad techniques.
  5. He's trying to keep his mood up. He doesn't want to be expending emotional energy worrying about offending others. That's exactly the sort of thing that gets you sucked into the pseudo-realities in the first place.
  6. Being a jester is freeing - the jester can say to the court what others may not. And once you are seen as a jester, you are given a bit more leeway. But playing the dual jester/academic role seems like a bit of a tightrope.

Check out this between Bret Weinstein, James Lindsay and Jesse Singal.

All three are firmly anti-Woke, and Singal has his own podcast on this with Kitty Purrzog. Singal and Purrzog are great, but of the four, Singal is the one who is struggling to take the threat seriously. (Purrzog gets it more because she's a lesbian - a long piece by her on this).

It's fascinating watching Weinstein and Lindsay trying to get Singal to see it, and Singal's "what is this crazy conspiracy shit" reaction. I suggest watching it, because Singal puts up a good fight. It will help you figure out whether Singal or Lindsay is the crazy one.

I think that discussion might be what prompted Lindsay to try his new Twitter tack - how can he get through/round those like Singal (the "Very Smart People") who are still making excuses for the Woke? (Singal's a lot better than most, but I think Lindsay struggles to see how someone can be 95% at the peak without fully reaching it for so long).

Finally, here's another relevant little piece: this form of postmodern proto-fascism is unusually potent in that it's purveyors are coming at us literally dressed like clowns.

Stranger Than Fiction

Don’t let the comedy fool you. As funny as Wokes are, we must take them seriously. Yes. I know. It’s difficult. They’re ridiculous. At least the Nazis put on a decent suit. But… don’t be fooled.

NecessaryScene1 · 22/02/2021 06:48

That was far too long, so I shouldn't be writing more, but I guessed I missed the overarching point of Lindsay's antics

  1. He's trying to use their tools against them - shape reality with his words and actions. Logical argument isn't sufficient - he needs to do "the act", just as they do. But all the while showing his working - like Penn & Teller doing their magic tricks. It's both real and fake simultaneously.

He's trying to avoid being part of the "reality-based community" described by that anonymous Bush aide:

The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' [...] 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors...and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do'.

The Woke stuff is very much a continuation of that, and just analysing it is not sufficient to stop it. More aggressive attacks are needed.

The trick is to avoid becoming what you fight against...

NecessaryScene1 · 22/02/2021 07:28

Lol - so used to typing Katie Herzog's Twitter handle that I called her by it throughout there without even registering, even while going back to edit first names to surnames cos it was sounding too chummy! Too early in the morning! Grin

BitOfFun · 22/02/2021 15:28

This is a much shorter and more accessible account of the academic publishing scandal. It includes a short video too.

I'm not sure which hoax paper is the most shocking...probably the rewriting of a Mein Kampf chapter which swapped in feminist terminology to achieve great virtual applause.

I'm starting to see how these "Grievance Studies" departments feed into the politics of fear, which surely cannot take us anywhere we really want to go.

SqeakyHindge · 22/02/2021 17:42

very insightful thread and answer to this

I don’t know whether new lurkers or posters can always decode what is really being said behind the coy and obscure language

I can't
my daughter can as I have asked her few times to decipher comments for me

Bisquiteen · 22/02/2021 18:54

Thank you so much for bringing this information about pseudo-realities to my attention MoleSmokes. It has somehow defused a bit of my constant low level rage at the sh!t treatment of women. Now I can completely understand how they are brainwashing the useful idiots I can actually feel pity for the poor saps and am also heartened by the fact that, historically, all pseudo-realities will fail, given enough time.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2021 21:37

Lol - so used to typing Katie Herzog's Twitter handle that I called her by it throughout there without even registering

I wondered at that Grin "I'm sure that's not her actual name" but couldn't remember her real one!

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