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House of Lords reading of #MOMA Bill (22nd February 2021)

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ForenameSurname · 15/02/2021 14:39

In case anyone wanted to send some Conservative Lords and Ladies an email about the Ministerial and Other Maternity Allowances Bill that is due for its second reading in the House of Lords on MONDAY 22ND FEBRUARY 2021, below is a template email for you (adapted from MFs original one) to adapt to your own needs/style, and in a separate post below is a list of email addresses pulled from www.members.parliament.uk/members/Lords.

(Note: I only included Conservative Lords/Ladies because… well… as last Thursday showed us, they are more likely to support this cause. That said, if anyone wants to provide an email list for other affiliated and non-affiliated peers, that would be good, too.)

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Dear [XXXX],

I am writing to draw your attention to the Ministerial and Other Maternity Allowances Bill which cleared the House of Commons after receiving an unopposed third reading on Thursday 11th February 2021.

I am, of course, delighted that ministers will receive formal paid maternity leave. No minister should have to resign in order to care for a newborn, and I am very glad that this issue will prompt the government to look at all state maternity (and paternity) provisions afresh.

What I was dismayed about, however, was the fact that a proposed amendment to the language of the bill was not made. Currently, Clause 1, Page 1, Line 14 of the bill says that the provision of payment of maternity allowance will be offered if:

(a) the person is pregnant and it is no more than 12 weeks before the expected week of childbirth;
(b) the person has given birth to a child within the previous 4 weeks.

The amendment, put forward by 19 Conservative MPs and 2 Labour MPs, was to - quite simply - replace the word "person" with "woman". Only women can get pregnant and so only women need be referred to in this passage.

I assume the use of the word "person" is a result of the guidance set out in the Guide to Gender-Neutral Drafting (2019) created by the Office of the Parliamentary Counsel and the Government Legal Department (the latter is a Stonewall Diversity Champion.) It was created with the help of the Interlaw Diversity Forum which is a private group that helps law firms improve their Stonewall Equality Index, and with the help of Global Butterlies which provides a “Corporate Trans and Non-Binary Inclusion Training and Consultancy.” All of those groups clearly have a vested interest in erasing the word ‘woman’ from legislation, and it is interesting to note that no women's rights groups were consulted in the writing of this document.

This drafting guidance encourages all bills to “avoid gender-specific pronouns and adjectives” which echoes Stonewall's guidance to HR departments (those whose institutions are Stonewall Diversity Champions and pay for Stonewall consultancy), which says:

The “use of Mother and Father has not been explicitly stated as inclusive of all trans identities. We would recommend using a gender neutral term, such as ‘parent who has given birth’ or ‘new mothers and other pregnant employees.’

This is yet another deliberate attempt to erase female-specific terminology under the guise of “inclusion”.

It is for that reason, as the bill passes onwards to the House of Lords on 22nd February 2021, that I implore you to propose again that same amendment: replace the word "person" with "woman". As of 2017, the UK only had 2 people identifying as men who gave birth. In attempting to accommodate this tiny cohort of transpeople who get pregnant, this bill and other sex-specific gender-neutral language offends innumerable women like me and we are asking you to make it stop.

I urge you to intervene. This is the thin end of the wedge of a stealthy policy creep that seeks to erase the specific sex-based rights and the biological reality of women in an attempt to include those who identify as men who, as years of evolutionary biology research makes absolutely clear, remain biological women irrespective of their gender identity.

Many thanks for taking the time to read this. I thank you in anticipation of your proposed amendment.

Kind regards,

[XXXX]

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VestaTilley · 23/02/2021 22:30

I can’t find anywhere saying what the outcome was of last night’s debate. Was the Bill amended?

ConservativesForWomen · 24/02/2021 13:50

Amendments being proposed; bill enters committee stage tomorrow and they expect it to receive Royal Assent the same day. Debate will be live on Parliament TV.

publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/lbill/58-01/172/5801172-I.pdf

List of speakers:

www.lordswhips.org.uk/speakers-lists

(Scroll down to tomorrow's date)

ConservativesForWomen · 24/02/2021 13:53

@Stealhsquirrelnutkin

I couldn't work out her email address but she's *@1SVN* on twitter.
Some peers have their own email address, some use the generic HoL one; you just need to put FAO: The Baroness Noakes in the subject line and it will get forwarded.

members.parliament.uk/member/2554/contact

FindTheTruth · 24/02/2021 13:59

Amendments being proposed; bill enters committee stage tomorrow and they expect it to receive Royal Assent the same day

Taking time off to watch this.

Any thoughts on whether it's likely that 'woman' will be put into the bill?

Manderleyagain · 24/02/2021 14:34

There are some speakers on the list who spoke against gender neutral language yesterday, but others I don't recognise.

Will it already have been through committee or is this the committee?

Manderleyagain · 25/02/2021 12:49

What time is this debate? Any live tweeting again?

Manderleyagain · 25/02/2021 13:20

Sex matters just tweeted this, hopefully good news:

"Good news!
Victory for common sense and women in
@UKHouseofLords
on #MOMABill
More news soon.
Watch Parliament TV at 2.30pm"

RoyalCorgi · 25/02/2021 13:30

This is brilliant news. Really pleased.

Olderstyle1 · 25/02/2021 13:48

Swooning with delight here! Awesome work - especial thanks to Maya F and to the women for both sides of the political divide who worked behind the scenes to make this happen. Flowers

Sunkisses · 25/02/2021 14:16

YES! YES! YES! #MumsTheWord
Will be tuning in to parliment live channel at 2.30 (15 mins to go!!)

www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/3ca1efa2-16a5-489d-a5a0-5d929bff81f6

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 25/02/2021 14:37

Lord Hunt!

I could kiss him.

Olderstyle1 · 25/02/2021 14:50

Baroness B says that we are all right-wing and insists that there is no evidence of threats to women. She isn't actually making any sense. It's DARVO propaganda.

Olderstyle1 · 25/02/2021 14:53

She is stating that amending the bill to use the word 'woman' is the 'thin end of a dangerous wedge' and anti-trans. There it is in clear sight. Women's rights are anti-trans.

MichelleofzeResistance · 25/02/2021 14:56

Lord Hunt. Flowers

Nailed it.

MenopausalCrone · 25/02/2021 15:04

Just wonderfully brilliant and my shoulders have started to relax!

happydappy2 · 25/02/2021 15:19

Has Baroness Barker not heard of Karen White? What utter rubbish that there is no evidence.

Melroses · 25/02/2021 15:33

There seemed some polite distancing from Baroness Barkers speech.

There are some good measured speeches. The House of Lords is made for this sort of scrutiny.

Datun · 25/02/2021 15:48

They totally get it.

meg70 · 25/02/2021 15:54

Baroness Meyer: "menstruators....even my autocorrect doesn't recognise the word" lol!

Melroses · 25/02/2021 15:55

Grammatical mistakes on the BBC - I love that a Baroness also notices. Grin

Melroses · 25/02/2021 15:59

Changes that depart from traditional drafting. This is so important when it gets down to Court level.

MenopausalCrone · 25/02/2021 16:00

I love Baroness Fox, she really tells it!

meg70 · 25/02/2021 16:03

"No room for complacency" is so true.

FindTheTruth · 25/02/2021 16:21

"it is important that there is a review of how language is used in legislation" Lord Cormack

hear, hear

FindTheTruth · 25/02/2021 16:33

"I'm very upset with what Baroness Barker said. ... I'm not a bigot. I'm not opposed to transgender . . . as a scientists I recognise different views about gender and sexuality and they need to be stated very clearly.... Professor Roger Short .... really important work ...... 30 billion cells have XX or YY.... male embryo metabolism is more active within 3 days than female embryos... hormonal sex starts before birth... testosterone starts in the womb....the importance of brain sex . . . it starts before birth in very early stages of development ... it's possible a dying twin affects the sexuality of the other one.... chestfeeding is not a substitute for breastfeeding.... at some point we have to come back to debate .... one of the truly fascinating subjects .... difficult to understand.... nothing to do with transgender ... its about women and the uterus before birth .... the need for praising maternity, supporting mothers .... absolutely critical . . . the standard of debate on Monday was exceptionally high"