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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

House of Lords reading of #MOMA Bill (22nd February 2021)

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ForenameSurname · 15/02/2021 14:39

In case anyone wanted to send some Conservative Lords and Ladies an email about the Ministerial and Other Maternity Allowances Bill that is due for its second reading in the House of Lords on MONDAY 22ND FEBRUARY 2021, below is a template email for you (adapted from MFs original one) to adapt to your own needs/style, and in a separate post below is a list of email addresses pulled from www.members.parliament.uk/members/Lords.

(Note: I only included Conservative Lords/Ladies because… well… as last Thursday showed us, they are more likely to support this cause. That said, if anyone wants to provide an email list for other affiliated and non-affiliated peers, that would be good, too.)

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Dear [XXXX],

I am writing to draw your attention to the Ministerial and Other Maternity Allowances Bill which cleared the House of Commons after receiving an unopposed third reading on Thursday 11th February 2021.

I am, of course, delighted that ministers will receive formal paid maternity leave. No minister should have to resign in order to care for a newborn, and I am very glad that this issue will prompt the government to look at all state maternity (and paternity) provisions afresh.

What I was dismayed about, however, was the fact that a proposed amendment to the language of the bill was not made. Currently, Clause 1, Page 1, Line 14 of the bill says that the provision of payment of maternity allowance will be offered if:

(a) the person is pregnant and it is no more than 12 weeks before the expected week of childbirth;
(b) the person has given birth to a child within the previous 4 weeks.

The amendment, put forward by 19 Conservative MPs and 2 Labour MPs, was to - quite simply - replace the word "person" with "woman". Only women can get pregnant and so only women need be referred to in this passage.

I assume the use of the word "person" is a result of the guidance set out in the Guide to Gender-Neutral Drafting (2019) created by the Office of the Parliamentary Counsel and the Government Legal Department (the latter is a Stonewall Diversity Champion.) It was created with the help of the Interlaw Diversity Forum which is a private group that helps law firms improve their Stonewall Equality Index, and with the help of Global Butterlies which provides a “Corporate Trans and Non-Binary Inclusion Training and Consultancy.” All of those groups clearly have a vested interest in erasing the word ‘woman’ from legislation, and it is interesting to note that no women's rights groups were consulted in the writing of this document.

This drafting guidance encourages all bills to “avoid gender-specific pronouns and adjectives” which echoes Stonewall's guidance to HR departments (those whose institutions are Stonewall Diversity Champions and pay for Stonewall consultancy), which says:

The “use of Mother and Father has not been explicitly stated as inclusive of all trans identities. We would recommend using a gender neutral term, such as ‘parent who has given birth’ or ‘new mothers and other pregnant employees.’

This is yet another deliberate attempt to erase female-specific terminology under the guise of “inclusion”.

It is for that reason, as the bill passes onwards to the House of Lords on 22nd February 2021, that I implore you to propose again that same amendment: replace the word "person" with "woman". As of 2017, the UK only had 2 people identifying as men who gave birth. In attempting to accommodate this tiny cohort of transpeople who get pregnant, this bill and other sex-specific gender-neutral language offends innumerable women like me and we are asking you to make it stop.

I urge you to intervene. This is the thin end of the wedge of a stealthy policy creep that seeks to erase the specific sex-based rights and the biological reality of women in an attempt to include those who identify as men who, as years of evolutionary biology research makes absolutely clear, remain biological women irrespective of their gender identity.

Many thanks for taking the time to read this. I thank you in anticipation of your proposed amendment.

Kind regards,

[XXXX]

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Manderleyagain · 22/02/2021 17:05

Some live tweeting on #MOMABill

Really good points being made. Many Lords & Baronesses are not buying it.

gardenbird48 · 22/02/2021 17:07

Baroness Noakes is outstanding!!

gardenbird48 · 22/02/2021 17:31

just listening to Lord Cormack - again, great clarity and pushing hard to include 'woman'. Offering to help sort out any procedural issues with changing it.

It makes me feel like there are some good people in positions of influence.

poshme · 22/02/2021 17:50

TGT is really good.
Talking about wondering whether to contribute to the debate.

But saying we need to use the word woman.

Melroses · 22/02/2021 17:53

🤞🙏

AdHominemNonSequitur · 22/02/2021 17:54

Outstanding!
Only one person not bothered about erasure of women in language- Lord Randall of Uxbridge.

Some brilliant speaking.
All fabulous, Baroness Noakes and Lord Hunt particularly.

Hear hear

AdHominemNonSequitur · 22/02/2021 18:00

Spoke too soon.

HDDD · 22/02/2021 18:17

Tanni Grey Thompson was incredibly measured and rational - that's only the second time I've listened to her speak in there and she's blown me away both times. I emailed to thank her too and got a very swift thank you back.

334bu · 22/02/2021 18:37

Heartening to see how many Labour peers support amendment.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 22/02/2021 18:57

Thank goodness

Catmaiden · 22/02/2021 18:57

Wonderful level of sunlight being shone!

gardenbird48 · 22/02/2021 19:09

I think the amendment has failed :-(((

Manderleyagain · 22/02/2021 19:13

I feel like this might be a watershed moment. It's the first pushback against untethering 'woman' from the female body in a legislature anywhere in the world.

Also maternity action have tweeted against the gender neutral language in this bill.

OhHolyJesus · 22/02/2021 19:20

This is so amazing, what a true gent. I'll send him a thank you card.

twitter.com/labwomendec/status/1363904699880112132?s=21

Manderleyagain · 22/02/2021 19:49

Yes it's been withdrawn. The bill goes back to a Lords committee. Not sure if that means it will go into law as is. No doubt we'll find out soon.

It was great to see so many different peers standing up on this.

StarintheMorning · 22/02/2021 22:54

I’ve got half a dozen cards ready to send off tomorrow. So many great speeches, I felt like I was in a parallel universe.

Several Lords all but naming Stonewall as responsible for hijacking the language used by Parliament and the civil service, using terms such as ‘the pressure group that shall not be named’. Also JKR, Rosie Duffield and Jane Clare Jones mentioned.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 22/02/2021 23:19

Manderley Yes it's been withdrawn.

I'm sorry to be daft, that means its rejected? we'll get "woman" back?

MoleSmokes · 23/02/2021 00:32

Just been watching Kellie-Jay’s excited commentary on Baroness Noakes and Lord Hunt’s fantastic speeches Grin

”Lord Hunt . . . Wow . . .”

”Sheila (Hero) Noakes”

Manderleyagain · 23/02/2021 14:10

I read the speeches on hansard, there are some indications on what happens nextb

Lord Young
"We do not normally vote on regret Motions in this House, and I think the noble Baroness, Lady Noakes, indicated that a vote was not her intention. This is helpful, because it gives the Minister the opportunity to consider the overwhelming feelings of this House..[....] I know the Minister is in a listening mode; he has agreed to a further meeting with Peers, which I hope will enable him to reconsider his response to the amendment in Committee.

Manderleyagain · 23/02/2021 14:14

Lord True the minister summing up.

"I have rarely heard the House so unanimous, or near unanimous, in its expression of concern on the two main points that have come out of the debate: first, what we do next in broadening the work, which I spoke about in opening; and, secondly, the issue of language, on which many have spoken."

" the Government do not—this reflects our discussions with the Official Opposition—propose to amend this Bill, for several reasons. First, the specific circumstances of the Attorney-General’s pregnancy mean that there is some urgency to secure Royal Assent to allow her to go on maternity leave. Secondly, in that context, the current drafting achieves its purpose in legal clarity and certainty."

" The Bill is legally accurate and will allow women to take maternity leave. To disturb that by amendment now might lead to unfortunate delay or unintended confusion in drafting. I acknowledge, having heard the debate, that this is not a satisfactory position for this House, but we will return to these matters in due course."

Manderleyagain · 23/02/2021 14:22

Lord True cont

"Although the drafting of this Bill in the context of maternity has been criticised by many, I repeat that it was neither novel nor intended in any way to denigrate women. I and the Government have heard today the concerns of both Houses on the “erasure of women” from public discourse and legislation. It is not intended to do this. The overriding drafting principle is that we must meet the legal requirements to deliver policy intent. The use of “person” in relation to pregnancy or childbirth matters in legislation is in line with current drafting convention and guidance, but, having heard the debate today, I will make the following points in reassurance.

First, I repeat that it will continue to be this Government’s policy to refer to pregnant women in government publications. That point has been made very strongly by many who spoke. Secondly, the Government have already responded to concerns that this drafting could be misinterpreted, and have updated the Explanatory Notes, which now detail how the Bill is intended to support women and explain the drafting practice.

The Government recognise the continuing strength of feeling on this issue in both this House and the other place. We are clear that the drafting is accurate and effective, but we recognise the concern expressed today that meeting legal requirements in drafting legislation does not mean that there is only one drafting approach available. In addition to committing to make myself available to noble Lords who may wish to discuss this matter further before Committee—I express my gratitude to those noble Lords who have taken the time and engagement so far to enter into discussions with the Government and me—I also state that the Government are open to further discussions on this issue. I will reflect with colleagues whether we can commit to doing more on this wider issue as we approach the later stages of this Bill."

There are lots of other important discussions to have on the scope of the bill, but they are obviously worried about time because of the attorney general being 'great with child' as one lord said.

True urged for the amendment to be withdrawn & it was.

So there will be a committee stage and more conversations but the gov don't want to change this. It would be so easy to change - find & replace!

Dalyesque · 23/02/2021 14:31

So it is quite possible to speed it along for one specific woman but not to change the words that are affecting so many. But big thanks to all who spoke up.

Dalyesque · 23/02/2021 14:50

I cant see Sheila Noakes email on the list helpfully provided, Is that because she is LAbour or cross bench? Think Posie was confusing her with Caroline who is an MP.

Stealhsquirrelnutkin · 23/02/2021 15:06

I cant see Sheila Noakes email on the list helpfully provided, Is that because she is LAbour or cross bench? Think Posie was confusing her with Caroline who is an MP.

I think Posie started out by calling her Caroline, but then realised that the remarkable woman speaking in the house of Lords was Baroness Sheila Noakes and edited the title of the video accordingly.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheila_Noakes,_Baroness_Noakes

Stealhsquirrelnutkin · 23/02/2021 15:08

I couldn't work out her email address but she's @1SVN on twitter.

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