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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

School Drops JK and Churchill after Student Pressure

40 replies

MishyJDI · 11/02/2021 19:16

Well, where to next then? Really sad the students at this school can't see beyond the weird idea that JK Rowling is transphobic. Feel free to join the comments with your views! And what about Churchill? Political correctness....

www.theargus.co.uk/news/19074602.seaford-school-drops-churchill-jk-rowling-house-names/

School Drops JK and Churchill after Student Pressure
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TheBuffster · 11/02/2021 20:04

I don't think they should drop either. (If secondary, Churchill a bit shady for more than a passing ww2 reference in primary imo) I do think they should look at their characters in whole, good, bad and ugly to help secondary children realise people (like Snape) are shades of grey.

So

Churchill
Prime Minister during ww2
Decisive leader
Lacking empathy as Indians starved partly due to British interference
Desperately sexist to female MP colleague

J K Rowling

Wrote Harry Potter
Founded Lumos
Thinks sex is real
Killed off every parent figure hp ever had
Left annoying loopholes like 'the trace' unexplained.

MissBarbary · 11/02/2021 20:23

I mentioned on another thread that Diane Feinstein, Abraham Lincoln and George Washington are going to be removed from school names in San Francisco.

www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/how-san-francisco-renamed-its-schools

So far as Churchill I think his war leadership wipes the slate clean on anything else he did.

Defaultname · 11/02/2021 21:08

Ironically, the story underneath is "Shock as huge heard of sheep 'stampedes' past people's front doors".

Defaultname · 11/02/2021 21:15

[quote MishyJDI]Well, where to next then? Really sad the students at this school can't see beyond the weird idea that JK Rowling is transphobic. Feel free to join the comments with your views! And what about Churchill? Political correctness....

www.theargus.co.uk/news/19074602.seaford-school-drops-churchill-jk-rowling-house-names/[/quote]
I checked out dozens of the comments, only one of which mentioned JKR (in a good way)...and then switched to Churchill.

zanahoria · 11/02/2021 21:32

does not say if they voted or if it was just few busy bodies who like to get on committees

I am guessing the latter

and that they are all in Slytherin

Impatiens · 11/02/2021 21:41

@zanahoria Grin

PigeonPants · 12/02/2021 06:16

Great idea to rename the houses after locations! Let's use this opportunity to reassure the children that, as we continue to discover and uplift new and increasingly oppressed and marginalised groups and individuals, we will gradually come to understand how all of today’s (and tomorrow's) heroes are deeply problematic and reject their legacies wholesale.

Let's change ALL the names - and ensure that in future we avoid referencing any form of humanity. We’re already far more complicit in problematic inegalitarian behaviours and associations than this article recognises - as is clearly illustrated by the other names mentioned:

Florence Nightingale was born into a privileged family of parasitic landowners and directly benefited from their ill-gotten gains to obtain an elite education and even to travel extensively abroad (a privilege almost no one in the UK is allowed today). She was indisputably a white feminist and therefore inherently exclusionary of African American and Native American women. Her lifelong friend Mary Clarke infamously proclaimed that if given a choice she would rather be a galley slave than a woman - and yet Nightingale STILL has not denounced and disavowed Clarke for this hateful and hurtful display of cis privilege.

Nelson Mandela was born into a royal family and levereged hereditary privilege and money to receive an education unavailable to most black South Africans under apartheid. Via his foundational role in uMkhonto we Sizwe, he abandoned his principles of pacifism. He was an apologist for British imperialism: openly stating that he enjoyed the “trappings of British culture”, praising the UK Parliament and court system, and even thanking the Empire for his early education. As the first President of post-apartheid South Africa, he resisted calls to institute radical land reform and a socialist-style redistribution of resources and instead continued the neoliberal policies of his predecessors in order to maintain exploitative foreign investment in the country. Married to three different women and fathering six children, he was almost certainly also a beneficiary of unacceptable cis-het privilege.

#IT'STIME #PHOBESMUSTFALL #DOWNWITHPEOPLE #NOHEROES #DRAINTHESWAMP #APLAQUEONALLYOURHOUSES

MoleSmokes · 12/02/2021 06:21

Gosh! Not like you MishyJDI to think that the opinions of Mumsnetters are worthy of consideration! What on earth has possessed you to task us with "putting effort into thinking"???

"To be fair though, Mumsnet is mostly filled with this sort of people obsessed with toilets rather than feminist ideals of equality and smash the patriarchy."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a4152339-Can-we-discuss-this-without-it-getting-deleted?msgid=104211998

"Sadly, some on here are so wound up in the idea of transpeople being a threat to feminism and their rights that they are just blinkered to a default position and attack anything that challenges that view.

If anything trans people and gender fluid challenge the patriarchal boundaries that keep us all enslaved.

Jan Morris was a pioneer in many ways and should be respected for her work. (I am using her preferred pronouns - and guess what that didn't hurt me!) lols

But this is the internet, and it is rare to be able to get people to think about an entrenched position in a new way and be open to something different. That requires effort in thinking...."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a4086097-Jan-Morris-has-died?msgid=101978739

TheBuffster · 12/02/2021 09:34

Just to remind you that cis is a banned term on Mumsnet.
I don't think we can asset that women in the 19th century had any sort of sex based privilege.

TheBuffster · 12/02/2021 09:39

Nightingale STILL has not denounced and disavowed Clarke for this hateful and hurtful display of cis privilege.

That's 'cause she's dead.

The dead don't generally do much on twitter.

Normaigai · 12/02/2021 09:45

@TheBuffster

*Nightingale STILL has not denounced and disavowed Clarke for this hateful and hurtful display of cis privilege.*

That's 'cause she's dead.

The dead don't generally do much on twitter.

Umm. Pretty certain that was sarcasm!
PotholeParadies · 12/02/2021 09:48

I don't think being dead is an excuse for not making a public apology for her privilege!

TheBuffster · 12/02/2021 09:48

Or bad grammar.

PotholeParadies · 12/02/2021 09:52

She, Winston Churchill and Nelson Mandela could release public statements via ouija board.

TheBuffster · 12/02/2021 09:57

That'd be a great episode of Ghost Hunters.

BigFatLiar · 12/02/2021 10:10

I think as stated above they're renaming all the houses after locations. Probably a good idea as people come in and out of fashion. Just wait now till people start complaining about place names.

nauticant · 12/02/2021 10:11

The endpoint of this is that heroes are people who came to prominence in the last few months and then they remain heroes until they're discredited in the coming few months/years. Not a very healthy way to carry on.

TheBuffster · 12/02/2021 10:14

@BigFatLiar

I think as stated above they're renaming all the houses after locations. Probably a good idea as people come in and out of fashion. Just wait now till people start complaining about place names.
I agree with this but still think they should be taught about figures like Churchill in history, both the bad and good. We don't need to hero worship people and ignore problematic history to appreciate an individual's contribution to society.
happydappy2 · 12/02/2021 10:19

What did JK say that was transphobic?

No one ever seems to be able that question

TheBuffster · 12/02/2021 10:24

@happydappy2

What did JK say that was transphobic?

No one ever seems to be able that question

The more pressing question is why did she allow the travesty of a script in , 'The cursed child' enter the canon. The rewriting of Cedric Diggory should carry an Azkaban sentence!
PotholeParadies · 12/02/2021 10:43

I am also very unhappy regarding the alternate future of Cedric. Angry

CuriousaboutSamphire · 12/02/2021 10:49

The letter is full of, presumably, totally unintended humour!

"Furthermore, as a school committed to stopping bullying and creating a safe environment, we no longer think that JK Rowling is a suitable representative, because of her recent words about the trans community. Intolerance and discrimination are treated very severely by our school and we do not want to promote anyone or anything that encourages such prejudice. So ban her... and her pesky opinions, even if we don't actually understand what it was she really did say!

AlfonsoTheTerrible · 12/02/2021 10:55

@Defaultname

Ironically, the story underneath is "Shock as huge heard of sheep 'stampedes' past people's front doors".
I suspect it was deliberate.
TheBuffster · 12/02/2021 11:15

My main JK beefs:

Cedric's alternate character plot path
Implying Voldemort had an affair with Bellatrix without further detail (Did the husband know? Was it a ménage situation?)
Ron's bizarre morphing into Fred Weasley's personally in cursed child'.
The bizarre witch who pushed the trolley monologue.
Harry's descendance into neurosis.
Basically putting her name to the whole cc script. I can't consider it canon.

But transphobic? No.

And I have an eye for jk detail as shown above 😂.

Abhannmor · 12/02/2021 13:43

JK Rowling is on a yellow card. If she writes ' Hermione beamed ' one more time it's turning red.I read it aloud to the kids. Everything after Prisoner of Azkaban needs an editor. But who's got the bottle to tell her !

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