Women no longer give birth

[JustFrustrated]

According to Brighton and Sussex University Hospital

news.sky.com/story/hospital-trust-becomes-first-in-uk-to-adopt-gender-inclusive-language-for-perinatal-services-12214018

They "understand our fear of erasure" but you know...fuck us women hey.

say what now?

So inclusive it actually excludes women

Chest-feeding? Wtf... I know when my breasts swelled from a B to a J cup and my nipples were cracked and bleeding....that was all me. No man involved. My husband, wonderful though he is, definitely could do nothing other than pass me cabbage leaves and tell me I could stop if i wanted.

Is it any wonder decent women are being turned away from supporting trans people? I know my FB post about this is going to cause friction between me and my kid brother.... Cause he sees me as an old fogey with no idea, whilst him and his friends are all woke...and I have no idea how life really is, but he's gay so he's sooooo more informed.

Honestly. How has it come to this?

Brighton and Hove, what a surprise, not. Just fuck off.

These threads might also be of interest

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4160911-Breastfeeding-is-now-chestfeeding-Brighton-s-trans-friendly-midwives-are-told

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/a4161124-Midwives-told-to-stop-using-terms-such-as-breastfeeding-and-breastmilk?msgid=104539262#104539262

Another thread this morning was deleted but had a poll and 99% agreed it is a concern.

My bad, didn't check for existing threads.. apologies!

@JustFrustrated

My bad, didn't check for existing threads.. apologies!

I don’t think it is an issue to have more threads. You just might also want to contribute as well.

Yeah if you can't support trans and NB people without erasing and degrading female people you haven't got it right yet.

Line between transphobia and gynephobia.

I would not want to trust my health to a medical person who doesn't understand sex

This is fucking abysmal.

Haven't read the article, but can I ask: are they still calling themselves "midwives"?

As google tells me: Middle English: probably from the obsolete preposition mid ‘with’ + wife (in the archaic sense ‘woman’), expressing the sense ‘a woman who is with (the mother’).

So quite heavily gendered in terms of meaning there.

Will they be calling themselves midperson?

Birth workers is the new thing apparently

Birth workers as a term has been around for yonks. Tends to refer to midwives/doulas/childbirth educators/anyone in that world.

I'm a midwife abroad in the wokest place imaginable, and one midwife did want to discuss changing our title at our AGM! Luckily I think that's a non-starter; midwife is a regulated, recognized term around the world and most midwives are very proud of their designation. It seems to be the one gendered word that is still seen as acceptable amongst the membership (woman certainly isn't ).

So glad I don't live in fucking Brighton any more.

It only means they will use "chestfeeding/birthing person" etc where applicable ie when dealing with a trans person.

They aren't using the terms as par for the course.

I think it's been made clear they will still use normal terms otherwise.

Whilst their at it I suppose they should change the word vagina to “front hole”

Both men and women have breast tissue anyway, men can lactate (usually in the presence of a pituitary tumour), so breast shouldn’t even be an offensive word. Men can get breast cancer. If you feel that it might be a gendered word then you are the one that needs re-educating, not everyone else....

That said, that isn’t even the reason why this whole thing is bollocks. Urgh, where to start. Wokeism needs to be permanently ditched, there is no logic to it whatsoever.

Just chipping in with the relevant complaints email address for Brighton and Sussex University Hospital: [email protected].

I've dropped them a little note to tell them what I think, so perhaps you might want to too?

I think chestfeeding (ugh, ugh, ugh, I hope my phone never learns that word) is one of those stupid things that has snowballed out of all proportion and become this totemic signal of "inclusion" on very slight evidence indeed.

I read once that a survey had been done on this, and of the tiny number of trans or non-binary mothers (who may or may not identify as mothers) who responded, something like two of them used that term, another three preferred breastfeeding, and maybe one liked the term nursing. So it's not even the case that all, or even most, of these people want to use that hideous word.

Though maybe now they'll start clinging to it because it's hit the news.

(Wish I could remember where I saw those figures. Not going to Google it as I don't want that word sneaking into my phone's dictionary...)