What do you think of terms like “boss babe”, “mom-trepeneur” or “she-EO”

[LittleRa]

I saw this post shared on Reddit and got me thinking about the use of these terms. Totally agree with what she is saying.

It's very interesting to see how people remain in smaller and more homogenous groups than they realise when it comes to dialect and speech habits.

Soccer is an unusual term in the UK. The OED agrees that it is more usual for the term football to be used here. Most British people are very proud of their regional dialectic and linguistic differences.

Anyone who speaksWelsh/Cornish/Gaelic

You're not serious are you? "Indigenous people" is a nonsensical concept in the context of the UK. I have heard it used by the very odd and very rare extremist but it's insulting to the Indigenous peoples of the Americas , Australia and New Zealand to appropriate it.

I’m pretty sure she’s not serious. I was talking about BIPOC in the context of US phrases / concepts that don’t work in the UK.

There was a thread a while ago about a British organisation using BIPOC in a job advert & some lighthearted speculation as to what indigenous would mean here.

I run a business and I was approached at a trade show and asked if I wanted to join a “mumpreneur network of like minded business mummys”.

This was just after having a third miscarriage.

The recruiter wasn’t to know but what a load of patronising rubbish.

I can’t bear all the girl boss nonsense on Instagram either.

It's very interesting to see how people remain in smaller and more homogenous groups than they realise when it comes to dialect and speech habits

It is not a matter of "remaining" in any group. I'm an ex English teacher. In school we teach children to be able to recognise the difference between dialect ( regional variation), colloquialism, and standard english.

Language reflects culture, and also shapes it. I don't accept that American culture is the same as British culture, nor do I want it to be. British language and the various regional dialects ( & languages) have grown out of specific historic, social and cultural events & experiences.

And while exposure to American language and culture is the norm in Britain, due to the shared use of the english language and through subsequent exposure to, and the sharing of, music and cinematic art forms, I certainly, for one, will always resist this kind of cultural colonisation as it just doesn't sit well at all, and therefore feels fake.

I've never seen those terms used by genuine businesswomen just MLM tat sellers

@NiceViper

It's very interesting to see how people remain in smaller and more homogenous groups than they realise when it comes to dialect and speech habits.

If you're talking about football that small and homogenous group would be the whole of the UK (and for that matter France and Germany)

The fact that football clubs from Plymouth Argyle F.C and Brighton and Hove Albion F.C to Thurso F.C and Orkney F.C have the letters F.C (football club) in their name might be a teeny hint as to the extent of usage.

Anyone who speaks Welsh/Cornish/Gaelic.

Don’t be daft. Not every Welsh speaker is Welsh all the way to the beginning of time and the same is true of Scots and Irish Gaelic.
Cornish literally died out and is now only spoken by a hand full of people, almost none of whom learned it at their mothers knee.

Unlike other First Nation groups throughout the world there is no obvious difference between the indigenous population of the U.K. and those who pitched up in 1066.

@MissBarbary

Anyone who speaksWelsh/Cornish/Gaelic

You're not serious are you? "Indigenous people" is a nonsensical concept in the context of the UK. I have heard it used by the very odd and very rare extremist but it's insulting to the Indigenous peoples of the Americas , Australia and New Zealand to appropriate it.

"Soccer" for football is very rarely used. It might be used by commentators during international tournaments but no one talks about going to "the soccer"

Relax, I was joking. I just chuckle to myself whenever people get heated about immigrants without recognising that they themselves are 10-40% genetically Anglo-Saxon (i.e. German). As a serious point though, speakers of the Brythonic languages have endured oppression in the past (see the Treachery of the Blue Books).

The fact that football clubs from Plymouth Argyle F.C and Brighton and Hove Albion F.C to Thurso F.C and Orkney F.C have the letters F.C (football club) in their name might be a teeny hint as to the extent of usage.
"Soccer" derives from "Association Football" and is used as a derogatory term by followers of Rugby Football, American Football and Aussie Rules Football. It has fallen out of use in the UK, no one says "Rugby Football" any more though most clubs are still RFCs.

This is one hell of a tangent though.

At no point have I said that football was not a common usage.

The point I was making was about the use of the term soccer, which is of British origin and still very much in use in Britain also. Something that other posters seemed to want to dismiss

@NiceViper

At no point have I said that football was not a common usage.

The point I was making was about the use of the term soccer, which is of British origin and still very much in use in Britain also. Something that other posters seemed to want to dismiss

Is it though? Is it still very much in common use? If so, where?

Those terms are rubbish. However I don't mind 'lady doctor'. It was always the polite way to say you had an embarrassing problem and didn't want to see a man. It's old-fashioned now but 'lady' was a respectful and complimentary description.

I find this thread disappointing given that one of my websites gives pro bono marketing advice to a specific group of women and my business name is one of these terms.

I didn't use it to be belittling, I used it because mothers of young children/babies who are trying to start their own business have unique challenges and a lot of the "marketing gurus" are men with no ties, no responsibilities, and they don't have to balance family life with trying to do better so a lot of their advice just isn't actionable for mothers of young babies. I wrote an article on my site explaining why the challenges facing mothers of young children are different to the challenges other people face when becoming self-employed. I'm not saying everyone out there uses terms like these in the best way, there's nothing stopping anyone using any word they like (as we can see with the appropriation of the word "woman"), but that doesn't mean all uses of these words are negative.

Anything on the internet has to be findable by the niche you’re trying to reach otherwise it just vanishes. That’s marketing.

I feel like it's unnecessarily divisive for people to split women up with lines in the sand and decide "this person's job isn't legitimate because they're also a SAHM" or to lump everyone making money online in with MLM hunbots just because some of the modern terms used are the same. I thought, with so many people now WFH and seeing how damn hard it really is, we'd moved past the antifeminist rhetoric of "SAHMs can't run a REAL business" and "what do they even DO all day?" And yet that seems to be the case.

I don't agree that every woman or even every mother who works or runs a business is a "mompreneur" or that they should be called that, but I do think the term (and related terms) is/are appropriate if it means women who fit the demographic can find advice that actually helps them, and I disagree with the posters who are just denigrating anyone who calls themselves a bossbabe or a mompreneur or anything similar and dismissing them as just MLM tat sellers

Some women find the term mompreneur, mommypreneur, mummypreneurs etc empowering and indicative of a self-employed business model where they're not just working for the man. I would expect anything with "-preneur" as the word ending to be someone working for themselves i.e. not a franchise or MLM.

I didn't see anyone getting like this over the term "kindlepreneur" and that business has been going for a few years. But it's run by a man, so maybe that's why people accept the term as legitimate.

Having said that, "She-EO" is painfully awkward and I can't see a demographic it would benefit. I can agree that one needs to die.

What's a kindlepreneur?

Anyway. It's a MN thread. If it's working for you that's great.

FYI though I would never Google mumpreneur so if you use a wider range of terms you might get more hits.

I’ve never heard of kindlepreneur, what does it mean?

Off to goodle 'kindlepreneur', I've never heard of it. It doesn't exactly roll off the tongue does it? I would definitely give a wide berth to any business using boss babe, mumpreneur or similar. I would assume I don't belong to their target demographic.

Boss babe is terrible.

What if you're not a babe?
Why are you asking people to focus on your looks rather than your skills? In a total turnaround on what women have been, and still are, struggling to change?

A kindlepreneur is someone who started a business writing books with a view to making that their full-time income. See they're an entrepreneur via self-publishing. So it's a concatenation of "Kindle" (Amazon's ebook device) and "entrepreneur".

I'm using my similar term as the website name because it felt catchy; I know it won't appeal to everyone, and that people aren't searching for it (that would be funny), but thankfully my site also uses categories, tags and key strings of text to index all my articles so people can find them if they search for things more relevant to their specific situation (think, "what happens if I need to fire my agent?" although I don't have any articles on that, specifically). Google SEO isn't limited to the website's URL.

...I've probably spent too much time online today haven't I?

@Thelnebriati

'Female doctor' is a factual description, the others are invented terms used to make women think running a business is cute and easy and not much different to browsing social media.

It’s factual, but it is generally used by people as a form of sexism. Unless people who use the term ‘female doctor’ or ‘lady doctor’ also refer to male doctors as ‘male doctor’ or ‘man doctor’ they’re almost always being sexist.

• “I don’t mind the term policewomen because I know it includes both male and female officers”

• Dave, 42, policewoman*

That made me laugh more than it should!

The term I don't like or can't find a "gender neutral" substitute for, is landlady or landlord. Any suggestions?

Nest of vipers I do ask to see a female doctor/ nurse for certain stuff but I think that's a bit different.

Notfabulous don't worry about it and I wish you much luck and to the women you are setting out to help.

Kindlepreneur is a shit term though!

I'd say author focusing on a digital audience

• “I don’t mind the term policewomen because I know it includes both male and female officers”

• Dave, 42, policewoman*

That made me laugh more than it should!

I clicked on as this was showing up in my thumbnail and I agreed (as in I don't mind the term policewomen) and that was all it showed.
Was going to say the term boss babe or mumpreneur are irritating (like I said earlier in the thread) as you don't say that about men.
Mumpreneur etc is just
Policewomen though, they're just doing their job and nothing wrong with saying policewomen.
Was coming on to say this, then clicked on and it's just some arsehole trans opinion turning every single bloody thread into a trans one.

Man who has it all is v funny

They are police officers. Fire fighters.

That's been since the 80s or something.

Wpc got ditched years ago.