I would like to propose a motion of thanks to *thewithesarehere* for managing to get Three such illuminating and successful threads onto AIBU

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And all who have contributed obviously and MNHQ for allowing them to stay on AIBU in the face of some pressure.

These threads have been a welcome opportunity to interact with our fellow mums and discuss an issue that affects them and their children enormously.

In the spirit of democracy and freedom of speech these conversations are so important. Thank you all.

Yes the thread might get derailed now, but I think that in itself will be very instructive to posters who aren't familiar with the tactic.

It does help when there are clear demonstrations that the women on FWR are not exaggerating any of this.

I’ve had to hide it to stop wanting to beat my head against the wall 😆😆

@Biscuitsanddoombar

Sadly the thread has now caught the eye of a certain poster & I suspect will now be derailed to hell

sorry, I have to confess that I have engaged with said poster but I hope that it will be helpful to the whole conversation.

I wondered what evidence can be produced to prove that transwomen are actually in greater danger in the men's toilets - more so than any other vulnerable group like teenagers or small camp men.

This is a genuine question - I tried to ecosia it (I'm off google since their interference in the GRA consultation) but all I get is a bazillion attacks BY transwomen. I did find one in Canada where a transwoman was apparently 'karate chopped' by a girl who objected to their presence in the ladies but nothing for the men's.

They can't claim press bias because we know which way that bias works....

@NotFabulousDarling

Yes, thank you, I am not very good at breaking into the conversation as I don't really know a lot (I hit peak trans with the JKR stuff before my NC) and am mostly in learning mode with it all, but seeing these threads make it in AIBU with such good points raised and discussed has made me feel like the discussion is open to everyone, even if you're not 100% up on every aspect of all this stuff.

hi Fabulous, I found it to be a long process to get your head around the issues fully.

I realised that it was because I still believed that the people in charge, the authorities, policy makers and decision makers had everyone's best interests at heart (party political arguments aside) and it was just a matter of balancing needs and requirements fairly. I was a bit of a fan of authority and rules (within reason obvs).

Now I understand, after a year of trying to work it out and research, that basic social contract seems to have broken down and there is no fairness or consideration of all needs. Disabled people, religious people and women's needs are all being sacrificed, often unthinkingly for the needs of one particular and very vocal and manipulative group.

I can no longer trust the police to treat me and my daughters fairly (in policy, it might be slightly better on the ground), the CPS, hospitals, our schools (I was told that if my daughter objected to changing with a boy in the room, she had to go elsewhere or stop being so unkind to him), our media inc. the BBC and Ofcom etc etc.

It is a very unpleasant thing to realise that this is where we are - it is the Upside Down BUT at least we know what we are dealing with and therefore have the opportunity to do something. I have done so much more in the last year than I have ever done about any cause and it makes me feel a bit better.

Let us just pray that MNHQ allow us to communicate on the main boards from time to time so we can raise the alarm for the other women that are all affected by this.

It is a very unpleasant thing to realise that this is where we are - it is the Upside Down BUT at least we know what we are dealing with and therefore have the opportunity to do something. I have done so much more in the last year than I have ever done about any cause and it makes me feel a bit better.

Me too. This is a grassroots women's rights movement, which seems strongest and most developed in the UK, but which is spreading quickly as women wake up to the threat posed to them, their mothers and their daughters. Every voice is important, and valuable, and every woman who is able to should read and watch and talk as much as they can about it all. Knowledge is power, and now we know what's going on, we can organise against it. 💪

@Biscuitsanddoombar

Sadly the thread has now caught the eye of a certain poster & I suspect will now be derailed to hell

Ah yes. Two of them tag-teaming.

Neither (I suspect) achieving, in terms of their effect on the lurkers, quite what they think they're achieving.

Let us spare a thought for our monitors, who now face the prospect of having to police a second board.

So good to see some sunlight in the highest traffic area of MN! Huge thanks to the patient, thorough and erudite GC posters who have been toiling away on those 3 threads, just reading parts made me want to knock myself out so thank you for persisting

Absolutely heroic effort by @thewithesarehere and many many others. I realise I have been tense for 3 days following that thread chain, but the issues are getting some air. Much needed after Nicola Sturgeon's antics this weekend.

The derailers can also be useful, as said above. They do give us the chance to explain the issues clearly over and over. And there are always some questions that they are unable to answer. So what is NOT said is also very informative. Thanks, derailers, for keeping the threads riding high.

thewithesarehere 👏👏👏👏🥃🥃🥃

@Langrycleg now taken the baton. It is pretty exhausting argument but so important.

Yes so many brilliant posters there and some respectfullish but .baffling arguments also. Kudos to the poster who told MN she didn’t want deletions.

We seem to be tag teaming also!

@wordsinourmouths

As Friend of angryresister currently suspended, who was the original poster, she is astonished at the threads success on AIBU and wishes to convey her thanks to thewithes for getting threads 2 and 3 up so quickly when needed. And good for MN to get it out there. They haven’t resulted in meltdown and the statistic , currently 93% to 7% is worth noting. Brilliant women all.

Gosh, sorry, I didn’t realise that Angryresistor started the first thread - I hope the suspension doesn’t last too long.

A great move - it felt good to be allowed out in the open for a bit - I wonder if it will ever happen again?

@ArabellaScott

The derailers can also be useful, as said above. They do give us the chance to explain the issues clearly over and over. And there are always some questions that they are unable to answer. So what is NOT said is also very informative. Thanks, derailers, for keeping the threads riding high.

Absolutely, I have seen some sterling efforts - I still can’t shake the feeling that one may be a gc deep undercover and playing devil’s advocate??

About 1600 votes in favour of women being able to talk across the 4 threads. Similar number on the JKR post question. Imagine many more lurkers.

Lost the will to live in the face of the endless denial and whataboutery. Women wanting privacy and dignity in the face of endless male entitlement.

yeah, I need a break to do some work. At least the conversation inadvertently highlights just how misogynistic the posts are and how prone to hyperbole they have become (or always was).

I’ve been admiring your tireless work!

We are fighting a good fight.

Loving the idea of involving AIBU

Genius!

sterling efforts there ladies .

Coming back here from aibu, I have a little bit of the feeling that I get on a big night out when it is all noisy and hot and you go into the toilets and it is all nice and cool and the thump of the music recedes into the background.

I haven't spent much time over there before and it is hectic!

It truly is same old same old.