Another public statement on puberty blockers

[MondayYogurt]

A youtuber has announced being trans.

twitter.com/philosophytube/status/1355577911949070341?s=21

In the statement the youtuber asserts "trans children can't get life-saving puberty blockers, which are reversible".

This person is a philosophy youtuber.

This person has over 200k followers on twitter and 832k on youtube.

Unless someone can correct me (?), this idea that they are "reversible" comes from their use in precocious puberty, and yes, they are genuinely reversible in that case. So you take someone off the drugs at the right time, and they go through a normal puberty for their age.

Are they reversible when used for the completely different purpose of stopping a normal puberty? Well probably fucking not!

@Barracker

I do wish MNHQ would relent and allow women to call all men 'men' without censure.

How glorious it would be if it wasn't a bannable offence to call a spade a spade, a wanker a wanker, and a man a man.

It's so past due, really.

Seconded Barracker.

I hate being forced to perform mental and linguistic gymnastics in order not to get banned. I hate being forced to lie.

Zinco

Little is known about the long-term side effects of hormone or puberty blockers in children with gender dysphoria.

Quoted from Transger Trend after the Keira Bell ruling:

www.transgendertrend.com/nhs-no-longer-puberty-blockers-reversible/

Dear God ... I’ve seen it all now.

Live your best life, Abigail, but don't pretend that women have it easy, or that you have the slightest idea of what it is like to live as a woman - any more than I can know what it is like to be trans. I can't, because I'm not...

[quote SkeeterP]Dear God ... I’ve seen it all now.

[/quote] So, the ‘wrong body’ narrative is something that ‘we’ came up with but is an old fashioned explanation of how it feels to be trans and is rejected by trans people

BUT the explanation now offered is that it’s like being in the wrong job that you can’t stand and it wears you down so you want to change to a better ‘job’ and the ‘job’ is a metaphor for your body and the societal and legal pressures that come with your birth sex.

I’m not sure I’m any clearer on the difference better two concepts??

I used to teach students like that. Convinced they were first class material, unfortunately trapped within the brain of a distinctly third class student.

Pretty much always male students, interestingly. And always had a problem with female lecturers.

Unless someone can correct me (?), this idea that they are "reversible" comes from their use in precocious puberty, and yes, they are genuinely reversible in that case. So you take someone off the drugs at the right time, and they go through a normal puberty for their age.

Depends on the age that the person comes off the drugs.

Reversible meaning they might go through some or all the puberty process. Maybe. But if we listen to the women who used puberty blockers for precocious puberty who have debilitating side effects (bone density, teeth falling out, joint issues etc) now in adulthood, I doubt they would think reversibility being limited to ‘whether puberty happened’ or not is ethical. The side effects they are experiencing are certainly NOT reversible.

Ha, they really have said the quiet bits out loud! So much resentment, misogyny and misinformation all in one statement!

@CaraDuneRedux

I used to teach students like that. Convinced they were first class material, unfortunately trapped within the brain of a distinctly third class student.

Pretty much always male students, interestingly. And always had a problem with female lecturers.

Sarah Hagi's 'Lord, grant me the confidence of a mediocre white man' springs to mind reading the above!

@Winesalot

Warning that the other threads have been deleted.

Maybe this one is ok because it focuses on the misinformation in the statement.

In which case I suggest a movement away from disparaging personal comments and a focus towards the incorrect statement that puberty blockers are reversible.

In mentioning the 200K+ and 800k+ followers I was originally trying to point out that a false medical assertion made by one person can have a huge impact on the beliefs of 1000s of people - this person, like it or not, has the power to set children on a path of drugs and medicalisation, as well as the hinted path towards suicide.

I am reading more detrans stories where I can find them (reading and never commenting as it is not my place).
I suggest any TRAs hiding here do the same. Start listening to the voices of people you are trying to silence.
They bear the scars and their lives are valid.

Someone's been on the Road to Damascus:

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/olly-lennard/why-the-world-needs-4chan_b_2461697.html

[quote nauticant]Someone's been on the Road to Damascus:

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/olly-lennard/why-the-world-needs-4chan_b_2461697.html[/quote]
Isn't it always the way?

If you’ve watched the video where they get another male actor to ‘be’ their former incarnation, you will have seen the absolute abomination of them using Bowie’s ‘Black Star’ to enact the metaphorical ‘death’ of Olly and the birth of Abigail. I think I might just be as angry about the grotesque Misappropriation of Bowie’s music as I am at this person’s irritatingly narcissistic parade.

Ha, they really have said the quiet bits out loud! So much resentment, misogyny and misinformation all in one statement!

That's it, exactly. I'm not sure other British TRAs are going to like being relegated to "not as well known" status by a new kid on the block.

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

In the IMDb Oliver Thorn is an actor with four or five credits to his name, Maladicta. Two of those are the Philosophy Tube TV series, so I assume it's the same person.

Does it not list their new role as "woman" on there?

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Ha, they really have said the quiet bits out loud! So much resentment, misogyny and misinformation all in one statement!

That's it, exactly. I'm not sure other British TRAs are going to like being relegated to "not as well known" status by a new kid on the block.

Also apropriates the Polish woman's strike symbol (fighting for reproductive control after the total ban on abortion), as well as a black communist star (I wonder what Engels would say). You can see it dangling round Abigail neck on the video.

So, the ‘wrong body’ narrative is something that ‘we’ came up with but is an old fashioned explanation of how it feels to be trans and is rejected by trans people

BUT the explanation now offered is that it’s like being in the wrong job that you can’t stand and it wears you down so you want to change to a better ‘job’ and the ‘job’ is a metaphor for your body and the societal and legal pressures that come with your birth sex.

If it's just about societal and legal pressures, why change your body? That really doesn't make sense. The only reason to change your body is because you are unhappy with your body (and even then it's usually better to analyse why you might be unhappy with your body and come to terms with it as it is.)

Instead of wanting to change their bodies to 'fit in', why not try to change the social and legal pressures that they are unhappy with? These people presumably think that instead of campaigning for votes for women, the suffragettes should have just declared that they were men and demanded to be treated like men.

Also apropriates the Polish woman's strike symbol (fighting for reproductive control after the total ban on abortion), as well as a black communist star (I wonder what Engels would say). You can see it dangling round Abigail neck on the video.

Really?