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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Oh god, Labour again.

143 replies

fakenina · 28/01/2021 16:02

They are really determined to jump the shark on this, arn't they Sad

labour.org.uk/about/how-we-work/nec-statement-women-shortlists-womens-officers-minimum-quotas-women/

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fakenina · 28/01/2021 18:00

@JustSpeculation

"Anyone attempting to breach Labour Party rules and subvert the intention of All Women Shortlists, women’s officers or minimum quotas for women will be dealt with via our established safeguards, selection procedures and disciplinary measures."

I remember being "dealt with" at school...

What exactly do they imagine their 'established safeguards' are? with self ID there can be no safeguards, thats the whole point.
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fakenina · 28/01/2021 18:03

Its all just bullshit really, I have more respect for men who espouse MIGOW on the internet. At least their honest.

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cheeseismydownfall · 28/01/2021 18:06

The thing that really boils my piss in all of this is that the driving reason for AWS is the recognition of the need for women's specific SEX-BASED needs to be adequately represented parliament - health care, maternity rights, employment rights etc etc etc. Basically the things that make natal females completely distinct from transwomen.

AWS do not exist to make sure there are enough people in the House of Commons with long hair and pretty dresses.

FFS

Violetparis · 28/01/2021 18:08

I have more respect for people who actually do believe TWAW than politicians who don't but keep quiet while woman like Rosie Duffield are subjected to rape threats and abuse.

zanahoria · 28/01/2021 18:13

Labour have never elected a woman leader.

Margaret Beckett was the first woman to run in 1994, she came third out of three.

Dianne Abbott ran in 2010, she came fifth out of five.

Yvette Cooper and Liz Kendall ran in 2015, they came third and fourth.

Rebecca Long Bailey and Lisa Nandy came second and third last year

So six women have run and not one has even received more votes than a man

fakenina · 28/01/2021 18:20

To be fair Rebecca Long Biley and Lisa Nandy were shit,
they managed to get duped in to signing a document that said women dident exist and if they caught anyone saying otherwise they were going to kick them out of their gang.
If only there had been some way of knowing before hand that they were ailinating most ofthe british public. Oh yeah... the power of reading and thinking! That would have done it.

Also I know for a fact RLB is gender critical, people I know well have spoke to her about it.
What an absolute cowardly shit show (grovelling dident do her much good tho did it, you'd think people would learn lessons)

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andyoldlabour · 28/01/2021 18:21

The closest Labour got to having a woman in charge, was when Harriet Harman was deputy leader for eight years, and assumed temp-orary leader when Ed Miliband resigned.
Now they are in a big hole, all digging furiously. They haven't got a clue.

merrymouse · 28/01/2021 18:25

@cheeseismydownfall

The thing that really boils my piss in all of this is that the driving reason for AWS is the recognition of the need for women's specific SEX-BASED needs to be adequately represented parliament - health care, maternity rights, employment rights etc etc etc. Basically the things that make natal females completely distinct from transwomen.

AWS do not exist to make sure there are enough people in the House of Commons with long hair and pretty dresses.

FFS

This, and also the fact that the structure of parliament puts specific barriers in the way of women, e.g. lack of accommodation of women who give birth while in office.

It's striking that many successful female politicians (e.g. Nicola Sturgeon, Theresa May) don't have children, while the last 4 male PMs (Blair, Brown, Cameron, Johnson) have had very young children in office, 3 children actually being born while their father was PM.

Some female MPs have partners who take on most domestic duties (e.g. Jess Philips) but there are far more male MPs with 'party wives'.

I think sometimes female politicians would rather pretend that this isn't a problem because they see it as a weakness. However you can't hope to have equal representation in parliament if you don't confront these issues.

GintyMcGinty · 28/01/2021 18:26

I think all women shortlists should be binned. I think they've had their day and it's no longer the best way of getting better representation.

But if they must have them then I'm fine with this statement.

Jetatyeovilaerodrome · 28/01/2021 18:26

Also I know for a fact RLB is gender critical, people I know well have spoke to her about it.

Really?!

fakenina · 28/01/2021 18:31

yep.
never underestimate the duplicitious nature of politics

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fakenina · 28/01/2021 18:34

when I say she is GC I mean she knows full well genderism is bullshit, the commitment to womens rights part of being GC not so much.

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merrymouse · 28/01/2021 18:37

But if they must have them then I'm fine with this statement.

Because...?

Although I suppose if you don't agree with AWS, they are more likely to disappear if they are bat shit crazy.

NorthernIrishFeminist · 28/01/2021 18:44

Honesty I would prefer no AWS than that travesty

Floisme · 28/01/2021 18:48

@nauticant

Starmer is being useless over this issue but that statement dates from October 2019, or earlier, when Jeremy Corbyn was leader.
Ah. OK thank you. Not promising that it's still up but, to be fair, we've probably got stuff older than that on our work website. Guess I'll carry on hoping for a miracle a bit longer.
StocksAndScares · 28/01/2021 18:58

If RLB is gender critical yet publically saying the opposite, then she isn't someone I want on our side.

She's no better than a Tory with that attitude.

DaisiesandButtercups · 28/01/2021 18:59

It was devastating that none of the women in the Labour leadership contest had the critical thinking skills and courage to stand up for women’s rights. Not one of them were of the right calibre to be a party leader.

dolorsit · 28/01/2021 19:09

Although I suppose if you don't agree with AWS, they are more likely to disappear if they are bat shit crazy.

I did note that some of the strongest supporters of this were labour men who had strongly opposed AWS. Funny that.

zanahoria · 28/01/2021 19:14

AWS have disappeared

There are men on them

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 28/01/2021 19:30

women’s officers and minimum quotas for women in the Labour Party are open to all women, including self-identifying trans women.

So, “To hell with the law of this land. We’ve unilaterally instituted self-ID. Suck on that, women.”

NiceGerbil · 28/01/2021 19:36

'Anyone attempting to breach Labour Party rules and subvert the intention of All Women Shortlists, women’s officers or minimum quotas for women will be dealt with via our established safeguards, selection procedures and disciplinary measures.'

Didn't a male member self ID as a woman and put himself forward for something? And they said no piss off.

So what's the story? Is it self ID or not? So we have acceptance without exception or not? Who are the labour party to judge who is truly trans and how do they intend to do that?

That part shows that they don't actually believe it either.

MaudTheInvincible · 28/01/2021 19:44

#LabourLosingWomen is getting a lot of use; many of the people affected by this do not seem to like it one bit.

Labour seem to love shafting women at the moment.

ChattyLion · 28/01/2021 19:49

Oh great. Still politically homeless then

Same here.

Jintyfer · 28/01/2021 20:08

@cheeseismydownfall

I wish I was a Labour party member so that I could resign over this travesty.
Could be worth the £5 or whatever is, just for the satisfaction of it?! A metaphorical 🖕
MaudTheInvincible · 28/01/2021 20:47

Ruth Serwotka has tweeted this.

Oh god, Labour again.