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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Guardian article Harry Potter

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Usermn78 · 26/01/2021 07:26

www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/jan/25/harry-potter-tv-series-hbo-max?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

This article says JK Rowling 'doubled down on her transphobic views' without any evidence obviously.

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Helmetbymidnight · 26/01/2021 07:34

wow, that reads like the unsubstantiated rantings in a blog of an angry incel - thats in The Guardian?
wow. they really cant claim to be a serious evidence-based newspaper any more.

Clymene · 26/01/2021 07:41

Not giving them the clicks. They can shove their misogyny up their bum

GCAcademic · 26/01/2021 07:42

I really think there need to be some libel and defamation lawsuits in respect to this issue.

Helmetbymidnight · 26/01/2021 07:46

But they have weathered collateral damage from Rowling perpetually and often perplexingly kicking the hornet’s nest

its a great article to illustrate the unrelenting misogyny, stupidity and sense of witless entitlement of a certain type of millennial left-wing male.
its that bad im wondering why the guardian published it.

Usermn78 · 26/01/2021 07:51

My favourite thing about it is the selfishness and hypocrisy of the author. His enjoyment of television is clearly more important than his principles. An ally worth having.

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UppityPuppity · 26/01/2021 07:51

Not giving them the clicks. They can shove their misogyny up their bum

Nothing to add.

its that bad im wondering why the guardian published it

Most won’t wonder on this board - it’s just part of their usual. Have you not noticed their relentless misogynistic shit?

Helmetbymidnight · 26/01/2021 07:58

i have- but this seems to go even further than usual.

NotTerfNorCis · 26/01/2021 08:04

This guy seems to dislike Rowling on a personal level.

Then at that end:

That is, perhaps, the way forward for a Potter-verse TV series: a program that leans less on magical arcana by authorial decree, and more on the books’ capacity for compassion and guiding current of tolerance, trusting people to know who they are. A show that relies less on groundless revisions, and more interested in exploring with detail identities in the magical world, as in ours, given more due on Rowling’s Twitter account than in her original writing.

Deeper exploration of character, and taking on new points of view... great. But I get the impression he wants to bring genderism into the Potterverse.

nauticant · 26/01/2021 08:06

I thought for a while that if JKR is sensible she, following the guidance of her lawyers, will have been waiting for the right target to come along, one she could sue without it being easy to spin into her using her vast wealth to cause harm maliciously. That article makes The Guardian a good candidate.

nauticant · 26/01/2021 08:13

Anyway, here's an archived version of the article you can click to instead of going onto The Guardian website:

web.archive.org/web/20210125215005/www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/jan/25/harry-potter-tv-series-hbo-max

HecatesCats · 26/01/2021 08:19

Wow, he knows lots of big words, he must be a clever man. If only JKR had a modicum of his intelligence and insight. Definitely not a load of shallow, pseudointellectual waffle peppered with millennial buzzwords, not at all.

AnotherLass · 26/01/2021 08:24

Re libel. I'm worried that there is a secret reason why nobody is suing any of the people who are constantly calling them transphobes and hate groups, and that is that lawyers are advising that they don't have a good chance of winning. Transphobia is a totally undefined idea, and Stonewall (which is somehow allowed to run half the country) defines it as believing in biological sex.

Joanna Cherry won a libel case against Pink News but that was for calling her homophobic. To my knowledge nobody has won on the charge of transphobia.

I'm no lawyer, no idea if this is right. But it's something that has been bugging me. I find it odd that nobody has sued over this yet unless there's a reason.

nauticant · 26/01/2021 08:39

Even though many of the libels thrown at JKR are eminently winnable, people such as scientists, doctors, and even judges, lose their reason when it comes to this issue and feel they ought to decide things on a very mistaken view of what's been going on and what public opinion is.

This is the kind of case you need to win at first instance. For JKR winning at appeal a couple of years after losing in the High Court and being "publicly declared a transphobe by the English legal system" would be a disaster. The first decision would be the one remembered and forever discussed.

However, even if the lawyers were sure a case could be won, it needs to be won against the right defendant. With anyone too small there's a risk of things going a bit McLibel, even with a win. It would need to be carefully managed not to look like a hugely wealthy person using their wealth to destroy plucky under-dogs defending the most oppressed ever™.

BuntingEllacott · 26/01/2021 08:47

Well, she doesn't have to sue for being called transphobic. Plenty of eager beavers have been quite specific about her responsibility for deaths and violence, and just used more straightforward epithets like bigot. I'm not convinced she will sue myself, but if she does, I suspect the smart money would be on her doing it on one of the occasions she's accused of putting kids at risk etc.

Tbh, I think she'll just watch things unfold from here on in, making making a choice comment if a very significant thing happens. Or perhaps another essay in ten years time, depending on the direction of travel, in which she demonstrates clearly every single one of her comments has been proved correct. She's already got the beginnings of it with Kiera's case...

NotTerfNorCis · 26/01/2021 08:48

Transphobia means not signing up to every aspect of genderism.

Even committed TRAs, even trans people who've slipped up by, say, allowing the wrong person to follow them on Twitter, end up being called transphobic.

Socrates11 · 26/01/2021 09:08

Yawn, what a sour hatchet job on JKR. All that petty sniping over something that has not even come into existence yet. If you can't say anything nice about people Adrian better to not say anything at all!

FamilyOfAliens · 26/01/2021 09:12

Haven’t the words “transphobic” and “transphobia” become meaningless through over-use though?

It’s lost its impact as a slur because it seems anyone with the most tenuous attachment to reality and biological facts is transphobic these days.

DaisiesandButtercups · 26/01/2021 09:36

My family and I would love a series with Joanne Rowling firmly in charge of it.

Beamur · 26/01/2021 10:01

Excellent news that JK Rowling is working with HBO on a new series.
Had to chuckle at the umbrage of the author of the article that the fandom is somehow more authentic than the actual work of the creator of the Potterverse. They really hate to admit they like it now don't they. Meanwhile new audiences and readers keep discovering it and JKR remains in control of her work.

Justhadathought · 26/01/2021 10:21

Adrian Horton is a U.S journalist. The guardian is now in so thick with U.S style identity politics.

Justhadathought · 26/01/2021 10:23

....and is female.

ArabellaScott · 26/01/2021 11:05

The Guardian is sitting about the level of the Independent these days. I dont even bother clicking, for the most part. It carries as much weight as a random blog.

MedusasBrandyButter · 26/01/2021 11:46

The only actual news in that text came from Hollywood Reporter: the news of the HBO Max series. The Guardian links were all "comment stories". (I don't think the links to the Variety article count as news, since that article, too, was a narrative re-hash of other sources, and buries the topical/ 2020 stuff deep in the article.)

The Guardian is just overwhelmed by all the "comment" content, which is ironic and sad given what a fuss they made of C.P. Scott's "Comment is free, but facts are sacred" dictum.

Talipesmum · 26/01/2021 12:10

It’s pretty funny, though, because where he says her “transphobic views”, he links to her actual article on sex & gender, so if anyone ACTUALLY clicks to see what these dreadful “transphobic views” are, they’ll just get her beautifully written and very sane article.
www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

Furx · 26/01/2021 12:13

Rowling perpetually and often perplexingly kicking the hornet’s nest

Or as we pesky feminists like to call it... standing up for the rights of women and girls

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