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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The BBC is pushing an adult trans activist agenda onto children

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stumbledin · 25/01/2021 00:34

All BBC programming and content directed towards children and young people on the subject of transgender pushes an extreme adult, political trans activist agenda.

The Mail has reported on the notorious BBC Teach episode that teaches children there are over 100 ‘gender identities’ including ‘male’ and ‘female.’ Despite all the complaints, the episode is still up and children are still viewing it.

We have been writing to the BBC and we thought this would be a good time to openly share our latest letter.

Continues at www.transgendertrend.com/bbc-adult-trans-activist-agenda-children/

(Sorry if this has already been posted)

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OldCrone · 25/01/2021 14:12

Actually I think the main point of their campaigning is to get everyone to accept the notion of "trans children".

I'm sure this is what is behind it. One of their aims is to de-sexualise being transsexual (in the eyes of the general public). Nobody would ever describe a child as 'transsexual', because this would be sexualising the child, but if we describe them as 'transgender' or simply 'trans', this seems to make it acceptable. These 'trans children' then become a human shield, used to push through legislation which allows men into women's prisons and women's sports. 'Trans children' are clearly vulnerable and in need of sympathy and concern in a way that people like Caitlyn Jenner and Jane Fae are not.

This is from a YouTube discussion (no longer available) between TransYouth Family Allies executive director Kim Pearson and transgender activist Autumn Sandeen, who states:

“I’ve always said there are two groups that are going to make change in transgender legislation and the “gender identity and expression” related language in legislation. It’s going to be trans youth because … they demystify it and take the sex right out of the trans experience.”

mirandayardley.com/en/this-is-an-all-out-political-war-the-gender-recognition-act-and-beyond/

TyroTerf · 25/01/2021 14:14

Why isn't a better solution to just let people wear clothes, have hobbies, have any preference of hair or makeup without it defining or confirming a gender identity?

The cynic in me says 'because there's big money in affirmation surgery' but I think there's more to it than that.

If everyone can wear whatever they like then my aversion to the trappings of femininity becomes a mere choice - with the assumption that I could choose otherwise where this is expedient.

Obviously going forward, the incidence of dysphoria would be reduced if everyone were free to wear what they like, so I'm all in favour of that plan. But we're not living in that utopia right now, and it doesn't help anyone in the real world to pretend that we all have totally free choices over how we present.

I'm probably not making as much sense as I'd like (homeschooling while MNing) but I'm looking at this sentence: It's a much less intrusive way of letting children develop and thinking about the kids who develop serious sexed-body dysmorphias: sexualised violence and abuse are key components, we are not talking about a cohort who gets the luxury of developing normally.

Insisting kids adopt identity labels is a bloody stupid idea though. Settled and stable identities are a normal adult feature; expecting twelve year olds to have 'em is just daft.

OldCrone · 25/01/2021 14:15

Why isn't a better solution to just let people wear clothes, have hobbies, have any preference of hair or makeup without it defining or confirming a gender identity?

Good luck with getting an answer to that from genderists.

It's up there with 'What does "live as a woman" mean?' and ''What is a gender identity?' as questions which are never answered.

OneEpisode · 25/01/2021 14:15

The Stonewall trustee on LBC wasn’t 1:26 to 1:32. Ayla Holdom. The pilot. Has a young baby now, so daughter will know one of her mums is trans.

OneEpisode · 25/01/2021 14:27

“Was on” not “wasn’t”. Presenter Nick made short work of Ayla.

TyroTerf · 25/01/2021 15:15

It's up there with 'What does "live as a woman" mean?' and ''What is a gender identity?' as questions which are never answered.

Which is annoying, because they're incredibly easy questions to answer!

Obvs the first has two possible answers - living while being female, and living in accordance with the local stereotypes associated with being female. The second looks confusing at first glance because of the standard conflation between sex and gender, but again it's simple: sex identity is what sex you know you are based on your body, and gender identity is where you locate yourself in relation to those pesky local sex-stereotypes.

OldCrone · 25/01/2021 16:44

@TyroTerf

It's up there with 'What does "live as a woman" mean?' and ''What is a gender identity?' as questions which are never answered.

Which is annoying, because they're incredibly easy questions to answer!

Obvs the first has two possible answers - living while being female, and living in accordance with the local stereotypes associated with being female. The second looks confusing at first glance because of the standard conflation between sex and gender, but again it's simple: sex identity is what sex you know you are based on your body, and gender identity is where you locate yourself in relation to those pesky local sex-stereotypes.

They are easy questions to answer, in the way that you have, but then that raises another question: 'Why are sex stereotypes being invoked when we are trying to get beyond stereotypes?'

Children are being taught that stereotypes are bad, and there are no such things as "girls' toys" and "boys' toys", but at the same time they're being taught that if they like the 'wrong' toys for their sex, then they might be transgender.

If a little boy likes dressing up in princess dresses and playing with dolls, is he 'living as a girl' or is he just a boy who likes those things?

Where do you draw the line between someone who is 'living as' the opposite sex and someone who is simply not conforming to stereotypes?

Anything which can be done by both sexes can't be described as living as the opposite sex since both sexes can do it. Some men like to wear dresses and make up just because that's what they like, or because they get a sexual thrill out of it. Some men wear dresses and make up and say that means they're living as a woman. But since there are some men who do this and don't say they're living as women, this is something which can also be described as living as a man.

The only things which are 'living as' one sex or the other are things which only one sex can do because of their anatomy: a man who rapes someone using his penis is living as a man because women don't have penises; a woman who becomes pregnant with help from a fertility clinic is living as a woman because men can't get pregnant.

And having a gender identity is pointless if you think sex stereotypes are bad - why would you want to describe yourself in terms of those stereotypes?

MadamMadness · 25/01/2021 17:32

Once the growth plates on the bones have closed a person has finished growing and cannot grow taller. Thereafter, the only option to increase a person's height is (painful) surgery. Puberty blockers can delay the growth plate closure, leading to slightly taller adult height.
If a young person, born female who wishes to become physically male, has been taking puberty blockers then moves on to Testosterone, a growth spurt is anticipated, giving them a small boost in their height.
Sadly, being short is a major cause of dysphoria amongst female-to-male transgender people and once the bone growth plates have closed, there is no easy solution to gaining height. If a person was a fully developed 5ft 3in in their female presentation, they will transition to be a 5ft 3in man. Sadly, short men are hugely discriminated against in our society and short trans men doubly so. Puberty blockers, MAY help an individual in this way.

Redshoeblueshoe · 25/01/2021 17:38

If any of you have a BBC account they are doing a survey of what people think of them. I have just received an email from them.

I certainly enjoyed doing that 😂 Please fill it in

StandUpStraight · 25/01/2021 17:58

Oh yes, have had a rubbish day but completing my BBC survey has perked me right up.

TyroTerf · 25/01/2021 18:19

Children are being taught that stereotypes are bad, and there are no such things as "girls' toys" and "boys' toys

Both excellent messages, but I suspect the way we're teaching them all too often comes across as gaslighting to the kids.

Clothing is a better example than toys for this point. You tell kids that boys and girls can wear whatever they like, but what they see, when they look around them, is: anyone can wear trousers, but men don't ever wear skirts, or if they do they get funny looks (at best).

You have to teach them the next step in the critical analysis too: why do boys not wear skirts, even though they could? If this isn't explored, then the kid's left with their parents telling them that the general rule of thumb they've accurately identified isn't an unspoken social norm at all.

Where do you draw the line between someone who is 'living as' the opposite sex and someone who is simply not conforming to stereotypes?

I'd draw it right down the middle, because anyone who believes they're living as the opposite sex can only demonstrate this by conforming to the stereotypes of that sex. There's nothing gnc about putting on a frock and a bit of lippy and saying you're a real girl now, is there?

And having a gender identity is pointless if you think sex stereotypes are bad - why would you want to describe yourself in terms of those stereotypes?

Agreed, makes little sense - but remember the whacking great cognitive dissonance at the heart of gender-identity ideology. They don't acknowledge that gender identities are rooted in (and cannot exist without) stereotypes, because to do so would invoke the wrath of earlier generations (for whom sexism was the social justice cause du jour).

Also important to remember that sexist stereotypes exist in people's minds. Even if I myself know anyone can wear a skirt, I know damned well that if others see me wearing one there's a fair chance they don't see me, they see 'skirt-wearing, woman, associated negative stereotypes', and if they're male, 'target'.

Which is why I'm adamant that woman is not my gender identity. Still a woman though, on account of being female. A not-woman g.i. is just shorthand for 'stop expecting these stereotypes to be applicable to me' in the context of a social world in which those stereotypes are still very much alive and kicking.

Which brings us full circle back to gaslighting kids. Telling them the stereotypes are basically imaginary, made up, not real, irrelevant, when stereotype - assigning general properties to a class based on observed behaviour of some members of that class - is a very real aspect of how human minds function.

Anything which can be done by both sexes can't be described as living as the opposite sex since both sexes can do it.

I agree, but when it comes to the whole trans wossname, it's always worthwhile putting the missing words in and seeing what the hell they're talking about. It's possible to live in a manner typical of the opposite sex, if you're in a society with marked distinctions between the sexes in terms of social norms, dress standards, etc. Because you could survey every man and woman in the country and see that (made up numbers alert) 80% of women sometimes wear skirts and 2% of men do, and truthfully state that skirt-wearing is typically observed in women and not men.

It's not so much about what's physically possible, but rather what's socially possible.

And then bog standard sexist bias comes into play, as always.

MaudTheInvincible · 25/01/2021 19:25

Thanks MadamMadness. It's comforting to hear that there's at least the chance of a benefit, and the clinicians at the Tavi (and elsewhere) aren't just prescribing these drugs with no possible gain for these girls whatsoever. Their female patients MAY grow taller than they would have otherwise. Can likely beneficiaries be predicted with any accuracy, do you know?

Toseland · 25/01/2021 19:49

Today I find the BBC a rather sinister organisation. They covered up Savile completely. Virtually everyday there is a pushy trans or drag story on the homepage. Now Drag Race and Mrs Brown’s boys are their top shows! (both awful programmes openly mocking women). Grrrr

MaudTheInvincible · 25/01/2021 20:03

@StandUpStraight

Oh yes, have had a rubbish day but completing my BBC survey has perked me right up.

Yes, I gave them lots of valuable feedback, it was rather cathartic Grin

OldCrone · 25/01/2021 20:12

@MaudTheInvincible

Thanks MadamMadness. It's comforting to hear that there's at least the chance of a benefit, and the clinicians at the Tavi (and elsewhere) aren't just prescribing these drugs with no possible gain for these girls whatsoever. Their female patients MAY grow taller than they would have otherwise. Can likely beneficiaries be predicted with any accuracy, do you know?
The possibility of being maybe an inch or two taller is hardly compensation for loss of fertility and sexual function, lowering of IQ, probable osteoporosis and all the other disbenefits that result from not going through a normal puberty and having their natural hormones blocked.

And on top of this, children who take this route find themselves out of step with their peers in terms of development and are likely to become more and more socially isolated as a result.

Puberty blocking drugs: ‘For the past four years I’ve been stuck as a child’

MaudTheInvincible · 25/01/2021 20:21

I agree. It was that 'MAY' that I was most struck by, and tried to respond to.

SpotsInMyNose · 25/01/2021 20:28

100 genders? I suppose they mean personality related to people's sexuality.

PlantMam · 25/01/2021 20:42

Puberty blockers, MAY help an individual in this way.

They’d have to begin very early in a natal female puberty to have that effect, certainly earlier than than GIDS’ average.

Girls are pretty much fully grown at the onset of menses, and as most gender distressed children desist at puberty, prescribing GnRHa’s at a stage where they might see a growth benefit is likely have the side effect of locking them into their dysphoric feelings.
Natal males start their natal growth spurt, on average, 2 years later than natal females, so if you were to start both at a common age of say, 13 and carry on prescribing until giving cross sex hormones at 17, the female children won’t grow much more at all and the male children will likely grow taller than their original project adult height (the majority of the MtF paediatric transitioners in the public eye are tall, certainly much taller than average, non puberty blocked, natal females).

The only way to get the desired aesthetic effect of taller trans boys/smaller trans girls is to medically intervene at a much younger age, which is clearly unethical.

As a side note, how can anyone say that the effects of puberty blockers are ‘reversible’ if they make you grow taller? You aren’t going to shrink back down if you decide not to progress fo cross sex hormones!

NeedToKnow101 · 25/01/2021 20:45

@Toseland

Today I find the BBC a rather sinister organisation. They covered up Savile completely. Virtually everyday there is a pushy trans or drag story on the homepage. Now Drag Race and Mrs Brown’s boys are their top shows! (both awful programmes openly mocking women). Grrrr

I do too. And they weren't good at protecting children before trans came along. Saville was on Top of the Pops and Jim'll Fix it for years, throughout the 80s; abusing children ON SET and around the studio, with the knowledge of BBC bosses. BBC have the power to paint themselves as good guys; doesn't mean they are.

NeedToKnow101 · 25/01/2021 20:57

Jim'll Fix It was on until 1994.

CranberriesChoccyAgain · 25/01/2021 21:02

Have you the BBC ever acknowledged their complicity or apologized for their failure to keep young girls safe from harm?

gardenbird48 · 25/01/2021 21:38

The possibility of being maybe an inch or two taller is hardly compensation for loss of fertility and sexual function, lowering of IQ, probable osteoporosis and all the other disbenefits that result from not going through a normal puberty and having their natural hormones blocked.

And if a small height gain is realistic, if osteoporosis kicks in, any height gains will be short lived and well be reversed within a short time. I think the girl featured in the American article about the terrible side effects of a particular brand of pb mentioned that her spine was crumbling (she’d been prescribed them for a short time for precocious puberty and was suffering terrible health problems in her 20s) and some suffered such bone density decline that their teeth were falling out.

TheFleegleHasLanded · 25/01/2021 21:55

Complain and keep complaining. Then complain again.

conservativesforwomen.org/complain-to-the-bbc-about-its-promotion-of-gender-ideology-again-and-then-again

YouSetTheTone · 25/01/2021 22:21

I also enjoyed the satisfying experience earlier of completing the survey and letting the BBC know exactly what I thought of their dangerously unbalanced content on CBBC and that I refused to let my children watch it as a result. Referenced Baroness Emma Nicholson to show them that I have noticed the objections being raised beyond my own house.
Thank you for this resource - all grist to the mill!

NeedToKnow101 · 25/01/2021 22:34

@CranberriesChoccyAgain

Have you the BBC ever acknowledged their complicity or apologized for their failure to keep young girls safe from harm?

just googled. In 2012 there was some sort of apology from them. It seems to refer to 'women' he abused, rather than 'girls.'

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