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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Does Joe Biden really understand the controversy behind his executive order on trans rights? - Suzanne Moore

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stumbledin · 23/01/2021 19:43

Not sure she is saying anything new but important it is being said in a main stream paper. But then like the Times it is right wing and behind a paywall. Would be good to have tv news etc. report on #BidenErasesWomen.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/23/does-joe-biden-really-understand-controversy-behind-executive/

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MajesticWhine · 23/01/2021 20:09

I would be interested to read this. Is there a way of sharing it?

MrGHardy · 23/01/2021 20:13

Like he gives a flying f...

He knows it will appease the woke mob that he needs on the left to get re-elected.

ARoombaOfOnesOwn · 23/01/2021 20:38

Majestic if you register you can read 1 or 2 articles a week for free.

zanahoria · 23/01/2021 20:57

Biden’s executive order on “LGBTQ+” is also taken directly from critical gender and queer theory. Take the trans question. Most decent people support laws that protect transgender people from discrimination — which, after the Bostock decision, is already the law of the land. But this is not enough for Biden. He takes the view that the law should go further and insist that trans women are absolutely indistinguishable from biological women — which erases any means of enforcing laws that defend biological women as a class. If your sex is merely what you say it is, without any reference to biological reality, then it is no longer sex at all. It’s gender, period. It’s socially constructed all the way down.

andrewsullivan.substack.com/

Cannot read that but this seems in a similar vein.

I doubt Biden is an expert on these matters. I think he has signed the order for woke points and will not even care if the courts shred it.

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stumbledin · 24/01/2021 00:08

I am not sure how much an article behing a paywall will do but think if we share (even if just the title) so that more people are aware that this executive order isn't about Biden being the good guy undoing Trumpt horribleness.

Was really surprised to see that Yahoo's UK news service carried the press release from WOLF in full. Need to keep up the pressure. uk.news.yahoo.com/womens-liberation-front-biden-executive-205600269.html

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stumbledin · 24/01/2021 00:10

PS - thanks FuckingCrustyBread Biscuit or Wine?

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RoyalCorgi · 24/01/2021 14:04

I doubt Biden is an expert on these matters. I think he has signed the order for woke points and will not even care if the courts shred it.

The federal agencies are now required to update their policies in line with the executive order, and so a lot depends on how they interpret it. They apparently have to be aware of potential conflicts or difficulties. And then there might be a legal challenge in the Supreme Court, which is very conservative. So you're right, it's not over yet.

GrinitchSpinach · 24/01/2021 18:29

As WoLF have pointed out, even if one believes sincerely that the Biden EO position would be defeated in court, it still produces an enormous chilling effect because what cash-strapped school district wants to be the one to take on the overwhelming costs of suing the federal government over such a policy, especially with no guarantee of a win?

The President wields absolutely massive power of financial intimidation against any entity that receives federal funding.

Delphinium20 · 24/01/2021 18:58

I urge everyone to simultaneously follow and support the passing of the ERA. It's an amendment to the constitution which is more powerful than a ruling (e.g. Bostock, Roe v Wade) and far more powerful than an executive order which can be quickly overturned/amended at any time by Biden or in four years by a different President or challenged in courts (this EO is limited to just some areas of public life). The ERA was recently brought back to life in the Senate on their first day in session and it was BIPARTISAN. It's a very simple amendment that guarantees equal legal protections based on sex. This would still protect trans people from discrimination in employment and housing and schooling (which all decent people would agree is important), but not at the expense of girls and women. The ERA also could strengthen reproductive rights...another enormous promise to women that Biden and Harris supposedly support.

Delphinium20 · 24/01/2021 19:09

Shoutout to WOLF for a well-written press release. Thrilled it's in Yahoo News, which is more or less an aggregator and not really 'left' or 'right'.

stumbledin · 24/01/2021 21:16

re Telegraph article which I assumed is not allowed to be posted in full on mumset. You can sign up to the Telegraph and and get a limited number of free articles per month.

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stumbledin · 24/01/2021 21:19

Am posting here (already lost on another long thread) a response to WOLF's press release which suggests an alternative campaigning strategy. I presume limited to those living in the US. Not sure who the author is Blush:

The recent executive order by Pres. Biden does two things: it states a principle of anti-sex discrimination AND directs a review by all Agency heads to make sure their policies comply with that principle. That review is essential to implementing the principle.

If you want to be activist around this, my suggestion is not to focus on rescinding the EO. But to tell the Biden Administration, and the relevant Agency heads, that the review must encompass ALL aspects of sex discrimination. And that protecting Trans persons should NOT come at the expense of women.

IOW, spend your efforts at trying to influence the results of the review. Not in trying to end the review. You will NOT get the order rescinded. Tell the Administration to implement it responsibly with due attention to the rights of women and girls.

For example, tell the head of the DOE to make sure that sex-based distinctions remain in place for Title IX purposes. Tell HUD that sex-based shelters are important for women's safety. Tell the Bureau of Prisons that sex-based segregation of prisoners is necessary for women's safety.

And give them an alternative: males compete on male teams without discrimination. Males get access to male-spaces without discrimination. Everybody gets access to gender-neutral space at their own discretion. Trans and Gay prisoners get safe, appropriate, and sex-segregated housing.

The order DOES NOT implement anything but a policy review, to be completed in 100 days. Get your voice in there. Make yourself heard. Be polite. Be smart. Be respectful of people's needs, including the needs of the Agency heads to have evidence to reject, in even the smallest way, TRA's insistence that males are females.

Remember, this is a President who JUST told all his appointees that he would fire them on the spot if they were rude or attacking of their colleagues.

Remember, also, that TONS of money is coming from TRAs. This is well-funded and organized. But the Senate and the House hang by a thread. Let every Democrat know, politely, firmly, and respectfully, that they need to protect the rights of women and girls or you will have to reconsider your support.

Every time you get a fundraising appeal from any Dem, have a standard text or email response that says: I am concerned about the rights of women and girls. What are you going to do to protect those rights?

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Delphinium20 · 24/01/2021 23:27

@stumbledin thank you. I agree with that strategy as well. It complements the ERA push.

MisfitRightIn · 25/01/2021 00:48

Thanks for the link, and all the informed opinions on here. Did the cut and paste of the article get deleted? I came back to read it.

MisfitRightIn · 25/01/2021 00:54

Sorry, just read the thread, and see the article was deleted. I’ll go sign up to the Telegraph so I can read it, (never thought I’d say that haha) and then start putting together responses.

I’m a registered Democrat and I’m constantly getting asked to donate. Great idea to respond to these separate entities.

MoleSmokes · 25/01/2021 08:22

Always worth checking if an article has been archived:

"Does Joe Biden really understand the controversy behind his executive order on trans rights?"

archive.is/0HpgM

MoleSmokes · 25/01/2021 08:30

stumbledin - found it on Facebook:

Public Group
"Transgender sport and the annihilation of woman"

Post by Charlotte Croson, Attorney at Law

www.facebook.com/groups/564369787409543/permalink/1065717963941387

MoleSmokes · 25/01/2021 08:37

I don't know if this video has already been posted in the other "Biden - you Pillock!" (words to that effect) thread - if it has, I didn't spot it.

"Identity Crisis Bonus Episode: Biden's Executive Order"

Identity Crisis is a weekly column and podcast for young people struggling with the modern orthodoxy of gender identity ideology—developed in collaboration between Plebity and 4W by Sasha White and M.K. Fain. New episodes every Monday!

Click here to learn more and get updates: www.identitycrisis.xyz/get-updates

M.K. is the Communications Fellow at the Women's Liberation Front. She is not a lawyer and none of this should be construed as legal advice.

stumbledin · 25/01/2021 14:42

Thanks for all the links!

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MichelleofzeResistance · 25/01/2021 14:47

This would still protect trans people from discrimination in employment and housing and schooling (which all decent people would agree is important), but not at the expense of girls and women.

The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

Who could not want that? Unless they actually (rather like Stuart Lachlan discovered) have the second part as the real agenda rather than the first.

Delphinium20 · 25/01/2021 22:37

It WOULD be our U.S. pot of gold. The Equal Rights Amendment can ensure that the U.S. Constitution promotes equality and prohibits discrimination on account of sex. Over 200 years ago, women were intentionally left out of the Constitution.

It's a very simple amendment:

Section 1: Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex.

Section 2: The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Section 3: This amendment shall take effect two years after the date of ratification.

MoleSmokes · 26/01/2021 00:30

Delphinium20 if that goes through then there would be some substantial unpicking to be done when it came into force after 2 years - but it sounds like it might be where the gender madness train runs into the buffers if it can’t be derailed before then.

Does it stand a good chance of being voted in?

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