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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Does Joe Biden really understand the controversy behind his executive order on trans rights? - Suzanne Moore

61 replies

stumbledin · 23/01/2021 19:43

Not sure she is saying anything new but important it is being said in a main stream paper. But then like the Times it is right wing and behind a paywall. Would be good to have tv news etc. report on #BidenErasesWomen.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/23/does-joe-biden-really-understand-controversy-behind-executive/

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Delphinium20 · 26/01/2021 01:25

@MoleSmokes I can't lie and say it will be a cakewalk, because that would deny how long it's been fought by conservatives. The ERA has been around since 1974, but it's brain child goes back 100 years to the suffragists. It's quite onerous to amend the Constitution, rightly so because once an amendment, you're golden. Last week a bipartisan Senate voted to extend the deadline for approval. We'd need 2/3rd Senate to vote for it OR we need 2/3 states to ratify it (I believe that is quite close). But there's little press on something so big that could impact 1/2 of US citizens! However, the fact that a bipartisan Senate did not hesitate to take this up on their first day of business gives me great hope.

Delphinium20 · 26/01/2021 01:26

*its. Yes. Lots of picking it over but that's ok. What matters would be women and girls become a distinct class based on sex.

Delphinium20 · 26/01/2021 01:33

I just read in full Moore's article and agree 100 percent. I truly appreciate how she notes how few rights (example maternity leave) we have.

I know countless women who went back to work after 2 or 3 weeks, still bleeding from uterine contractions post labor, with babies who hadn't yet latched or who refused a bottle. I was lucky to have managers who were mothers and gave me accommodations, but we still struggled with my 12 weeks' of lost wages and the total costs for each pregnancy were 10K. We were in debt for years.

But we do have air conditioning, so that's some consolation Wink

MoleSmokes · 26/01/2021 01:57

I’ve been to America, Delphinium20 - never mind the air con, you don’t have kettles or toasters! You need to get that sorted out. Heathens! Grin

Delphinium20 · 26/01/2021 04:42

@MoleSmokes Gin
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MoleSmokes · 26/01/2021 05:12

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 26/01/2021 08:52

Funny how women have been trying to claim their right to equal treatment for decades and have been consistently and persistently knocked back, often with a trivialisation of our claims and or a 'not now dear' whereas almost all other 'minorities' (with men in them) have won similar legal rights. Now, women's and girls' rights are being trampled - at the same time they are being denied. I guess I know who lost the genetic lottery.

NonnyMouse1337 · 26/01/2021 10:21

I had signed up to Abigail Shrier's newsletter a while ago. Found this in my inbox this morning. It was a good read.

abigailshrier.substack.com/p/bidens-gender-ideology-eo-just-about

NiceGerbil · 28/08/2021 02:16

Zombie thread.

At this point I think it's obvious that biden hasn't a clue what he's doing full stop. (Afghanistan).

timeisnotaline · 28/08/2021 03:01

It’s a relevant new update to the thread topic, not the same as a zombie thread!

NiceGerbil · 28/08/2021 03:06

You'll be better off with a new thread about it. For getting responses etc.

NiceGerbil · 28/08/2021 03:09

Ok had a look.

Is there a link to the official document?

Because it would be very peculiar for the government to mandate that in certain circs doctors cannot exercise their professional judgement.

NiceGerbil · 28/08/2021 03:14

Reuters says it's bollocks.

www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-biden-quote-transgender-chi-idUSKBN2772PM

Google gave me results mainly from right wing USA press.

I always double check stuff that feels unlikely.

rogdmum · 28/08/2021 06:44

Which bit is bollocks? The filing isn’t specific to minors, but does include them, e.g.:

“ Under the 2016 Rule, a doctor must advise patients about these procedures in ways that suggest they are appropriate for gender dysphoria and may not deter patients away from them. 49.

The 2016 Rule similarly requires a provider to prescribe, offer to prescribe, or refer for puberty blocking drugs and cross-sex hormones to patients with gender dysphoria. 50.

The 2016 Rule requires that providers not raise concerns about gender-transition regret
or
about permanent, irreversible damage, and instead, requires them to affirm patients
’ state gender identities
and to provide gender-transition interventions on demand”

Filing is here:

www.scribd.com/document/521845866/American-College-of-Pediatricians-Complaint

R0wantrees · 28/08/2021 06:48

Reuters says it's bollocks.

The OCTOBER 22, 2020 Reuters fact check specifically concerns a falsely attributed quote that gained traction on Social Media. It was claimed that Joe Biden said, “If your 8 year old child says they want to be transgender to make life easier … they have a right to transition and there is no reason for you to deny it.”

The August 27, 2021 Dailywire report concerns a recently filed suit American College of Pediatricians v. Becerra It quotes an ADF press release as the source:

“The American College of Pediatricians, the Catholic Medical Association, and an OB-GYN doctor who specializes in caring for adolescents filed suit in federal court to challenge a Biden administration mandate requiring doctors to perform gender transition procedures on any patient, including a child, if the procedure violates a doctor’s medical judgment or religious beliefs,”

“The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services reinterpreted non-discrimination on the basis of sex in the Affordable Care Act to include gender identity and thus require gender transition interventions, services, surgeries, and drugs on demand, even for children, no matter a doctor’s medical judgment, religious beliefs, or conscientious objection,”

rogdmum · 28/08/2021 07:04

Sorry, I wasn’t clear in my last post by saying the filing isn’t specific to minors. More accurate to say covers minors and adults and includes specific concerns re minors, including affirming, puberty blockers etc.

lionheart · 28/08/2021 10:00

When does a thread count as dead?

More seriously, I don't mind a thread that stops and starts because it lets you see how things develop over time, as well making the board less cluttered.

Biden and Afghanistan is a different issue.

Mulletsaremisunderstood · 28/08/2021 10:35

[quote lionheart]www.dailywire.com/news/3000-plus-pediatricians-medical-professionals-sue-biden-over-transgender-mandate[/quote]
This is a very positive update, hopefully it will wake people up the reality of what's going on.

I wonder if, in years to come, when these children grow up and realise what has been done to them and they want to sue for negligence or malpractice, would the medical professionals be liable? Maybe that's why they are pushing back, they don't want the financial and ethical fall out.

lionheart · 28/08/2021 10:50

I hope so Mullets--I think the questions are beginning to filter out to a wider population.

rogdmum · 28/08/2021 12:21

It’s also been reported in Newsweek:

www.newsweek.com/doctors-can-object-gender-transition-procedures-religious-grounds-suit-says-1623458

lionheart · 28/08/2021 14:42

That's really good news.

NiceGerbil · 28/08/2021 14:59

Is it?

Religious objections?

It's a different landscape in the USA. Religion in medicine is a massive problem. From work insurance policies not covering contraception to what is happening with RC hosps which are a surprisingly large % and abortion.

Religions docs don't want to treat anyone at all. The other docs will have to?

That's just a really terrible outcome all over.

The situation there is so different. The way the arguments from USA keep getting shifted wholesale to UK even though they make no sense here is frustrating in general.

The move to force doctors into not being able to exercise professional judgement, does that have precedent in USA?

NiceGerbil · 28/08/2021 15:20

Their challenge is related to religious reasons which already causes massive harm and if they win surely it just concretes it more.

A law telling doctors they cannot exercise professional judgement in this area if they feel that certain approaches are not in the best interest of the patient for medical reasons is really worrying.

In the end wouldn't this mean little treatment for anyone in the States that are v anti abortion etc and treatment elsewhere? As it's related to the same objection?