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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Biden has completely obliterated woman’s sex based protections as he said he would do.

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yourfaceisaforeignfood · 21/01/2021 05:45

www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-preventing-and-combating-discrimination-on-basis-of-gender-identity-or-sexual-orientation/

“Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports."

Biden just passed all the worst parts of the Equality Act by executive order (so without going through any legislation at all). It is limited in effect to agencies (I think) but those agencies include the Bureau of Prisons, Dept of Housing and Urban Development, Dept of Education, Dept of Labor etc

This will of course be unchallenged, even welcomed by the media. It will likely have a knock on effect around the world.

And I am so angry. So so angry. He was never the ‘least worst option’ he is the absolute worst option.

As Abigail Shriner says
twitter.com/abigailshrier/status/1352121732723666946?s=21

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MoleSmokes · 21/01/2021 17:26

Obama took a sudden interest in “bathrooms” when prompted by Billionaire Penny Pritzker, a significant fund-raiser for his presidential campaign and his nominee as US Secretary of Commerce.

Penny’s cousin Jennifer Pritzker, transgender billionaire, has pumped millions of dollars into medical, military, educational and political transgender projects and organisations in the USA and Canada. (Further afield too?)

Jennifer has switched financial support from the GOP and Trump to the Democrats and Biden.

Penny is now lead economic adviser on the Biden transition team.

Might Penny have put “Gender identity legislation”, erasing sex-based protection, on Biden’s “To Do List” for Day 1?

”Follow the Money: Pritzker Money All The Way, Baby!"

feelingquitehopeful · 21/01/2021 17:32

delphi

It seems quite straightforward to me, ERA can no longer support the Biden administration as this surely goes against the very found principle of the organisation no?

I can't see any cause for celebration given women have ceased to exist in the eyes of the law. How are you supposed to improve rights for a section of society that no longer exists? Genuine question.

Did you have any idea that Biden was going to do this on day one?

The ERA would be best to turn their fire power and efforts at overturning the EO - this should be the first and foremost action. You can't build on anything that no longer exists, and I mean it when I say your small hill has now become a mountain to climb, and you are going to have to start at the bottom again. I am devastated for you all, and we will do all we can to support you from here.

rockinaftermidnite · 21/01/2021 17:36

Sorry for my earlier comment. Point taken.

SunsetBeetch · 21/01/2021 17:44

@Mamapep

Can't believe I've just read 'Biden is worse then Trump'.
Maybe you need to read again for comprehension.
thinkingaboutLangCleg · 21/01/2021 17:47

Biden has just signed away women's sports not just in the US but worldwide, because all national Olympic committees care about is the medal table, so if th US has transwomen on the team the attitude will be "we'd better have some too.

Oh god, I hadn’t even thought of that. What a sickening hypocrite, pretending to be so virtuous while attacking women and children. What a global legacy.

SunsetBeetch · 21/01/2021 17:50

Oh sorry, I see which comment you mean now @Mamapep. Yeah, that was nasty and uncalled for.

HmmSureJan · 21/01/2021 17:50

[quote MoleSmokes]Obama took a sudden interest in “bathrooms” when prompted by Billionaire Penny Pritzker, a significant fund-raiser for his presidential campaign and his nominee as US Secretary of Commerce.

Penny’s cousin Jennifer Pritzker, transgender billionaire, has pumped millions of dollars into medical, military, educational and political transgender projects and organisations in the USA and Canada. (Further afield too?)

Jennifer has switched financial support from the GOP and Trump to the Democrats and Biden.

Penny is now lead economic adviser on the Biden transition team.

Might Penny have put “Gender identity legislation”, erasing sex-based protection, on Biden’s “To Do List” for Day 1?

”Follow the Money: Pritzker Money All The Way, Baby!"

[/quote] I believe this is why.
Delphinium20 · 21/01/2021 17:51

It seems quite straightforward to me, ERA can no longer support the Biden administration as this surely goes against the very found principle of the organisation no?

I think you misunderstand. The ERA isn't an organization, it's an amendment to the US constitution that just needs final Senate approval. Republicans have been blocking this amendment for a generation (almost 50 years). If it finally passes approval, it is far more powerful than the EO. The EO looks like it would ban discrimination on sexual orientation and gender identity in some government places (not a bad thing if it protects trans people from being fired).

Did you have any idea that Biden was going to do this on day one? I knew something would happen as a nod to the TRAs...I didn't know when. And, the more I look at the details, it's much better that this is an EO. The Equality Act (which is more worrisome how it is written) likely will not pass the Senate, so perhaps Biden through this bone to the TRAs. Actually, putting fire behind the ERA is the best chance for success at this point.

HmmSureJan · 21/01/2021 17:53

Let's not forget Martine Rothblatt either...

uncommongroundmedia.com/martine-rothblatt-a-founding-father-of-the-transgender-empire/

zzizzer · 21/01/2021 18:22

That money thing is weirdly comforting.

THAT'S why. They haven't all lost their minds. They just want to keep big donors happy (while getting a "hurrah" of approval from the internet).

theuglyswan · 21/01/2021 18:23

I just wanted to mention something quickly from the perspective of an American: I've seen quite a few comments on this thread saying that people in America don't care about this and that black/Muslim/Hispanic/what-have-you Americans have better things to worry about.

But as a black American the trans issue is one of the top issues I care about. It's why I refused to vote for Biden and chose to go for a third party. He and Kamala were incredibly open about being for trans activism. It's frustrating that Americans who voted for Biden are acting shocked that he would do this. He said he would do this.

People just didn't realize how bad it would be, because most people don't pay attention and just think it's a weird Twitter argument.

howard97A · 21/01/2021 18:27

What I find mind-blowing – especially after Biden’s preaching about the importance of truth – is that he rightly rejects Trump’s lies about the ‘stolen election’ but is happy to believe boys who say they are girls.

Are there no limits to human gullibility?

theuglyswan · 21/01/2021 18:29

@howard97A

What I find mind-blowing – especially after Biden’s preaching about the importance of truth – is that he rightly rejects Trump’s lies about the ‘stolen election’ but is happy to believe boys who say they are girls.

Are there no limits to human gullibility?

Not when it's politically expedient, unfortunately.
feelingquitehopeful · 21/01/2021 18:33

delphi

Okay so now I understand, it looks like an organisation but I can see now what you are saying. What are the actual chances of it being passed if it has been blocked for fifty years?
And if it is blocked again, where does that leave you?

Are you likely to see big support for taking the EO all the way through the courts? How organised are you in the US?

It strikes me that the TRA are far more advanced in terms of organisation, funding and connections, enough to be able to channel their visions and totally obliterate women's rights like this on day one with a new president.

Yes America voted for Biden to get Trump out, we can see that, but did they vote for the new woke agenda that are seeing the rights of women being upended in this way? I somehow doubt it.

MummBraTheEverLeaking · 21/01/2021 18:33

I saw it trending and knew why, unfortunately not because people are actually doing some thinking about what this means for women and girls. No, it's all terf this and effing terfs that, and that stupid bloody sonic the hedgehog picture about shutting the fuck up 😒

feelingquitehopeful · 21/01/2021 18:42

It is a distraction mumm If they can turn it into a bun fight they can stop the real conversation taking place. The real message will be lost every time.

You see it on here too, deliberate goady messages to try and derail the thread so that it will be deleted in record time.

They are just using different methods of silencing women, and trying to stop us from gathering more support.

You would think Emma Barnett might take this on, she has the balls for it. We need some proper air time. I listened to a 'debate' about it on radio 4 as the presenters gingerly danced around trying to cause the least amount of offence and avoid a blow up - I concluded that we gained very little from it. The bbc seem allergic to the subject.

Jux · 21/01/2021 18:49

@feelingquitehopeful

Jux

Abortion can't be a 'women's' right, if women are no longer identified as a sex any longer. It becomes a human right, because women are no longer able to identify as women?

Do you understand the abortion point now?
If women do not exist as a sex, how can they have any rights?

Oh I understood that, of course, but if it's a human right then presumably the scenarios I set out come into force. It's a human right, so humans can have an abortion if they want/need one. That human might be male or female, so when a human is pg that human is female and then can have an abortion if she wants one; if that human is male then they'll never need an abortion.

I thought that was all clear in my post.

Jux · 21/01/2021 18:55

@feelingquitehopeful

I have copied an earlier post from Barracker jux that makes it more clear:

Biden just dissolved recognition of an entire sex.
And dissolved every right that sex has, all of which stand or fall on the foundation of recognition of sex.
Further, he has made it so that the truthful act of recognising sex now may be punishable

You can't give rights to a sex that no longer exist in a sentence.

So I am examining which things really matter and which don't, so I'm saying that perhaps abortion rights for women isn't a hill to die on because we would instead have abortion rights for humans.

So truthful recognition of sex is a hill worth the fight but abortion is not necessarily.

Musthavesbackagain · 21/01/2021 18:58

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feelingquitehopeful · 21/01/2021 18:58

It all matters jux in my view.

Whatwouldscullydo · 21/01/2021 18:59

Yes but womens gynae and reproductive healthcare and regular healthcare is dreadful..

Maternity care too

Fir instance black women are 5 times more likely to die in chikd birth.

If all this happens to "people" and not women then there's no incentive to improve it all because we can hide the issues by ignoring it happens to women specifically

Jux · 21/01/2021 19:00

Likewise maternity leave. Is that something which will be completely lost or will it just include men who will never need it as they don't give birth.

Yes, of course I want to be able to name my sex, I don't want to have to say - or identify myself or others - as menstruators or whatever euphemism is used instead. Yes, separate loos, sports, crime recording, prisons etc etc. Those are the important things. Is sharing abortion rights as meaningful as that in real life, well I don't know. ATM it doesn't look like it. I'm waiting for someone to tell me it is and explain.

Jux · 21/01/2021 19:02

OK have x posted again. Will read replies but have to cook......

Whatwouldscullydo · 21/01/2021 19:03

Why don't you explain why we should pretend women don't exist so not to upset people even though denying our sex causes us nothing but problems. It doesn't benefit us at all and actively harms us. Men don't have babies nor do they need abortions and when healthcare is involved sex matters

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 21/01/2021 19:16

@theuglyswan

I just wanted to mention something quickly from the perspective of an American: I've seen quite a few comments on this thread saying that people in America don't care about this and that black/Muslim/Hispanic/what-have-you Americans have better things to worry about.

But as a black American the trans issue is one of the top issues I care about. It's why I refused to vote for Biden and chose to go for a third party. He and Kamala were incredibly open about being for trans activism. It's frustrating that Americans who voted for Biden are acting shocked that he would do this. He said he would do this.

People just didn't realize how bad it would be, because most people don't pay attention and just think it's a weird Twitter argument.

Good to hear your voice. I didn’t envy you your choice in this election - Trump/Biden to me felt like a choice between being executed by hanging or by firing squad.

Solidarity with you anyway. So many of us feel politically homeless here, but it seems to be a shed-load worse over there.