BBC - female sex offenders report

[UppityPuppity]

Please help me understand my disquiet about this BBC report about female sex offenders. The reflections in the report of abuse inflicted by the mother on the daughter is heartbreaking. A cruel betrayal of trust.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55338745

The piece underlines the need to have accurate stats and language of sex of perpetrators/victims in the criminal justice system and crime reporting.

It also underlines to me how far the BBC has fallen in my estimation with their determined inability to provide clear reporting of the perpetrators male sex in so many other sexual offences contexts.

Instead of immediately thinking that this is an issue that needs to be raised - AND IT DOES these victims deserve support and justice - the BBC is so contaminated in my estimation, that my first thought was the BBC are yet again trying to push the narrative that merges male and femaleness as they do in so many other contexts. This reaction is unfair to the victims of female sex abusers who have my sympathy.

Is it their blatant hypocrisy? They are rightly clear on the sex of perpetrators in this article but not in so many contexts where they state blatant untruths and ignore the male sex of perpetrators. The BBC let down victims of female sex abusers and their distinct experiences, harms and needs, because they fail to report incidence of male sex abusers accurately.

Stats in report-

In 2018-19, 3.8% of all child sexual abusers were female, based on police reports, Office of National Statistics data shows

How do we know the sex - we don’t. As far as I can see - this is increased from previous stats - ONS figures show in 2015 only 1.34% of prisoners sentenced for child sexual abuse as the first main offence were women. The BBCs stats double this.

Is the increase due to different metrics being measured/ die to a greater understanding of the crime/greater reporting of the crime or more male sex offenders identifying as women?

The BBC obfuscation of facts are part of the problem - they have lost their credibility and actively let down victims like this in the report.

But it would be appalling if these aberrations were used as an excuse to admit male bodied people to restricted spaces.

That’s exactly where this is leading to.

From a thread by FPFW:

There are only 125 sex offenders recorded as female. This means the ratio of women to transwomen in prison for sexual offences is around 3:2. That’s 38% of the ‘women’ in prison for sex offending actually being transwomen /10
If this same ratio applies to police reports of child sexual abuse then 900 of the 2297 recorded as perpetrated by ‘females’ may in fact be males who identify as women. This would be enough to account for almost all of the reported increase since 2015. /11

twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1351636983639138304

Fair Play for Women quick off the mark here. The BBC journalists could and should have checked this out before going ahead with this sensationalist nonsense. They have sunk so low.

fairplayforwomen.com/sex_data_wrong/?fbclid=IwAR27z2hvBPyLOPfrEOx6OH9uJ_XI3RIUT0xdjCJyTxAWr3ItfC4TvMH4e1Q

I really hope someone influential takes a proper look at this. Either there is a huge rise in women abusing, and if this is the case then it needs to be properly researched as to why. Or there is a huge rise in male offenders identifying as women.

At the moment no-one has any idea which is the case, and this whole shitshow beautifully illustrated the important of recording sex in data.

I’m really disturbed by the obfuscations. How do effectively push back against this madness?

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

I really hope someone influential takes a proper look at this. Either there is a huge rise in women abusing, and if this is the case then it needs to be properly researched as to why. Or there is a huge rise in male offenders identifying as women.

At the moment no-one has any idea which is the case, and this whole shitshow beautifully illustrated the important of recording sex in data.

Or there is a huge rise in reporting. For some reason. No idea what that reason might be, but that possibility has to be considered...

this is worth suggesting to the radio programme More or Less:
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This is really irresponsible reporting. The BBC wonder why trust in them is eroding. Stuff like this is why.

Have they forgotten about the Rotherham case where investigators seemingly kept their heads in the sand out of fear of offending a group of people? So many similar alarm bells here.

[quote MerchedCymru]Fair Play for Women quick off the mark here. The BBC journalists could and should have checked this out before going ahead with this sensationalist nonsense. They have sunk so low.

fairplayforwomen.com/sex_data_wrong/?fbclid=IwAR27z2hvBPyLOPfrEOx6OH9uJ_XI3RIUT0xdjCJyTxAWr3ItfC4TvMH4e1Q[/quote]
That's complete nonsense.

Most significantly of all, we also know that the ‘sex’ disaggregated data held by the police doesn’t actually record what most people think it does. Police forces now record crimes based on self-declared gender and not birth sex.

These are reports of crimes not convictions or arrests. In many cases there may not yet be a suspect to self-declare a gender and they will be recorded according to however the victim identifies them.

Good to see FPFW are on the case. This distortion of facts needs calling out again and again.

In many cases there may not yet be a suspect to self-declare a gender and they will be recorded according to however the victim identifies them.

A person who has been RAPED (non -consensual penetration by a PENIS) is extremely unlikely to missex their attacker.

@PlantMam

In many cases there may not yet be a suspect to self-declare a gender and they will be recorded according to however the victim identifies them.

A person who has been RAPED (non -consensual penetration by a PENIS) is extremely unlikely to missex their attacker.

Indeed, so it's unlikely they would be recorded as women in these reports.

Women can be convicted of rape under joint enterprise laws. Additionally often when 'rape'' figures are quoted it often refers to 'rape or equivalent offence' such as assault by penetration.

Good point PlantMam
This rapist was referred to as female throughout their trial for rape - presumably the victim was coerced to refer to them as she judging by this report:
www.cambstimes.co.uk/news/crime/transgender-rapist-jailed-6910204

Do I see some straw clutching going on here?

Joint enterprise is incredibly rare, and in this instance no co-defendants are mentioned.

@CaraDuneRedux

Do I see some straw clutching going on here?

Joint enterprise is incredibly rare, and in this instance no co-defendants are mentioned.

Yes, and the attackers were reported by the victims to be women,

You can view the data here: www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/datasets/childsexualabuseappendixtables

The category Rape refers to rape or assault by penetration.

Female people can ONLY be convicted of rape as an accessory under joint enterprise principles, so again...

it seems extremely unlikely that when a victim reports the crime of rape they would missex the person who penetrated them with they penis.

The victim may well describe the rapist as being assisted/encouraged by a female accomplice. but actually going into a police station or a rape crisis centre and reporting an unnamed person for the crime of ‘rape by accessory under joint enterprise principles’?

Well, that is something that truly never happens...

unless the victim maybe works for CPS? 🙄

Women can be convicted of rape under joint enterprise laws. Additionally often when 'rape'' figures are quoted it often refers to 'rape or equivalent offence'

I can find copy on only two cases in the last two decades in which a woman has been convicted under joint enterprise. Perhaps you could furnish us with further statistics jj if you expect us to believe that this in anyway proves that women are as dangerous in this respect as men (not even close)? Rape is committed by a person with a penis. Only males have penises. We know the truth because of lived experience as well as statistics.

What is hard to stomach is that women have been warning about this for years and now we see it happening and blithely carried out by the BBC ffs, like some kind of sick joke.

Fucking hell jj, just write "I hate all women" and have done with it.

Three women produced the BBC Radio Four File on Four report. Not one of them thought to check the legal definition of rape? Is that right? How else could they have attributed nearly 400 rapes to women?

@HecatesCats

Three women produced the BBC Radio Four File on Four report. Not one of them thought to check the legal definition of rape? Is that right? How else could they have attributed nearly 400 rapes to women?

In the ONS data the BBC report is based on the category rape includes assault by penetration, that's what these figures refer to. As the link I posted clearly shows. Does anyone care about the actual truth, or is the chance to lie that this is all down to trans women too good to give up.

jj "rape" cannot be committed by women. Do you care about the truth?

Would be mad if we’d gone from 2 ‘joint enterprise accessory to rape convictions in 2 decades’ to ‘400 women rapists’ without anyone noticing.
Especially as all 400 women would be convicted alongside their male accomplices - rapist couples are usually big news, so I’m pretty sure we’d have spotted 400 of them.

There's definitely a news story here that is worthy of a programme as well respected as File on Four, but it's not that women are committing more rape.