BBC - female sex offenders report

[UppityPuppity]

Please help me understand my disquiet about this BBC report about female sex offenders. The reflections in the report of abuse inflicted by the mother on the daughter is heartbreaking. A cruel betrayal of trust.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55338745

The piece underlines the need to have accurate stats and language of sex of perpetrators/victims in the criminal justice system and crime reporting.

It also underlines to me how far the BBC has fallen in my estimation with their determined inability to provide clear reporting of the perpetrators male sex in so many other sexual offences contexts.

Instead of immediately thinking that this is an issue that needs to be raised - AND IT DOES these victims deserve support and justice - the BBC is so contaminated in my estimation, that my first thought was the BBC are yet again trying to push the narrative that merges male and femaleness as they do in so many other contexts. This reaction is unfair to the victims of female sex abusers who have my sympathy.

Is it their blatant hypocrisy? They are rightly clear on the sex of perpetrators in this article but not in so many contexts where they state blatant untruths and ignore the male sex of perpetrators. The BBC let down victims of female sex abusers and their distinct experiences, harms and needs, because they fail to report incidence of male sex abusers accurately.

Stats in report-

In 2018-19, 3.8% of all child sexual abusers were female, based on police reports, Office of National Statistics data shows

How do we know the sex - we don’t. As far as I can see - this is increased from previous stats - ONS figures show in 2015 only 1.34% of prisoners sentenced for child sexual abuse as the first main offence were women. The BBCs stats double this.

Is the increase due to different metrics being measured/ die to a greater understanding of the crime/greater reporting of the crime or more male sex offenders identifying as women?

The BBC obfuscation of facts are part of the problem - they have lost their credibility and actively let down victims like this in the report.

the misconception that ... women are normally safer people to be around, because as these figures from 2015-2019 prove, it's not

Even ignoring everything else, taking the figures at face value, if 4% of abusers are "female" and 96% "male" then it remains true that "women" are normally safer to be around.

Now, it's possible that a certain identifiable subset of those "women" might be an exception to the "normally". Maybe look into that?

Your initial disquiet appears to be appropriate OP. Here's a thread from other disbelievers: twitter.com/anyabike/status/1351417965321850882

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That's just it. The while interview was trying to make out that females are actually just as bad as males.

Its been discussed on here many time about the end goal of changing language and statistics.

it was like watching 1984 play out for real, watching that interview.

*whole

I've submitted a complaint about the article. I suggest others do too. Only takes 5 minutes.

interviewee was all on about "we have to dispel the misconception that its majority of males abusing children, and that women are normally safer people to be around, because as these figures from 2015-2019 prove, it's not

That’s terrible! Even with that supposed increase, it is still me that commit the vast majority of those crimes!!

It's a sort of daft construction I see repeated a lot. The statement "A lot more X than you think do Y" somehow being used to justify the statement "X do Y just as much as everyone else".

(And often the "more than you think" bit is responding to a straw-man characterisation few would believe anyway).

Same basic thing as "more people than you think are 'intersex'" (via dodgy stats) -> "no-one is unambiguously male or female".

In both cases the first statement, aside from being dubious, does not in any way lead to the second, but they're put together as if they do.

I suppose that's what James Lindsay means by "paralogic" in his stuff about pseudo-reality.

Is there anything at all that can be done about this?

Judicial review/legal action? We need to know accurate stats. They're now completely meaningless because 'female' and 'woman' means everyone.

Just a hunch, but the person providing a quote within this - and the org they work for - might be quite comfortable when it comes to conflating sex and gender. www.survivorsuk.org/about-us/meet-the-team/ .

Have a look at that and Mermaids trustees:

mermaidsuk.org.uk/staff-and-trustees/

Bingo! Mermaids sticky fingers again.

Just saw this from AntiAnja on Twitter, via Helen Joyce:

Norway:
2015: 12 women reported for rape/sexual assault.
2016: Self ID
2017: 41 women reported for rape/sexual assault. [and 1670 men]

And there is no way of tracking.

You can't track, but you can check whether 12->41 being self-ID is plausible. Her screenshot doesn't include the men in 2015, but let's guess the offences is the same. In which case we'd expect 12 women, but maybe there are now 29 self-ID'd "women".

That would require 29 out of 1699 males to self-ID as female, or 1.7% of the male sex offender population.

So what's more likely? 1.7% of male sex offenders choosing female ID when offered (with what benefits?), or female offending tripling?

@yourhairiswinterfire

Is there anything at all that can be done about this?

Judicial review/legal action? We need to know accurate stats. They're now completely meaningless because 'female' and 'woman' means everyone.

I'd like to know this, too. It's just so insane its kind of hard to know where and how to raise it.

With the police? The ONS?

[quote nauticant]Just a hunch, but the person providing a quote within this - and the org they work for - might be quite comfortable when it comes to conflating sex and gender. www.survivorsuk.org/about-us/meet-the-team/ .

Have a look at that and Mermaids trustees:

mermaidsuk.org.uk/staff-and-trustees/[/quote]
And they say trans ideology isn't a male rights movement...

Exactly how is it possible for the number of female-perpetrated crimes to have gone up 84

Female numbers of very low. If in one year there is 1 offender then 2 in the next year that is a 100% increase. It is very easy for female crime numbers to be skewed as they are very low numbers compared to men. Just a few self-IDing men could change the numbers quite dramatically.

Good piece of research from Fair Play for Women on this. The BBC report must be based on these false stats - there aren't any others available. It's cobblers. And the bias ALWAYS favours men.

"In 2019 Fair Play For Women submitted a series of Freedom of Information requests to find out how the police record the sex of a suspect when a crime is reported.
We found police commonly record self-declared gender identity instead of birth sex; even when the crime is rape.
This means suspected and convicted rapists are recorded in official statistics as female if they no longer wish to identify with their male birth sex.
While some police forces said they record the fact if someone identifies as transgender, this information does not appear on government crime figures, which provides only male or female options. Transgender status is stated only if the person is a victim of transgender hate crime."

fairplayforwomen.com/police_record_males_as_female/?fbclid=IwAR3pcUgIVqz2QQjsNIWikoTJeGVZw4yJ1NBTw6J6EqPgyhcs4Zkh6j8MDN0

Maybe I'm just paranoid but the piece came off deliberately disingenuous. I'm taking it as these are all transwomen, because for what other reason would there be a mysterious 84% spike in female sex offenders?

With the police? The ONS?

Police would probably log us for a thoughtcrime for asking. (semi-joking).

This is absolutely deliberate, part of the plan to discredit women when we talk about male violence, so they can turn around and say 'well women are just as bad and you don't mind sharing spaces with them' like they did this morning. Appalling that the ''totally not bias, us'' BBC didn't even bother looking into why there is a sudden rise. (As if the don't know damn well why.)

It needs challenging urgently. This is the mess allowing the denial of reality creates-women being punished and blamed for the behaviour and crimes of men

@NewYearNewTwatName

I've just watched an interview on bbc news about this, it.was.awful

Interviewee was all on about "we have to dispel the misconception that its majority of males abusing children, and that women are normally safer people to be around, because as these figures from 2015-2019 prove, it's not"

no questioning as why there was an 84% jump! in any other situation jumps like that would definitely raise suspicion that somethings going on!

This is just stupid. The figures from 2015-2019 do indeed prove that "its majority of males abusing children" (because if women now make up 3.8% of offenders, men continue to make up the vast majority at 96.2%) and they also prove "that women are normally safer people to be around" as the figures once again confirm, the risk a woman poses to a child continues to be much lower than that posed by a man.

So it isn't a misconception that men commit the vast majority of sexual offences against children. And this BBC report once again confirms this fact.

And that's before we look into the possible reasons behind the rise, given that the figures have been stable for quite some time but that the police is now recording the sex of the offender based on either their actual sex, the officer's view of the offender's sex or the offender's self-identification.

And we know that many people believe that women are treated far more leniently by the law than men. Therefore, even to someone who doesn't identify as trans, or to someone who doesn't get off on getting one over on the man-hating feminists by having his crime recorded as female, there may be a perceived advantage in claiming to be a woman.

[quote nauticant]This is covered by File on 4 tonight:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000rcq5[/quote]
On now - "the underreported problem of sexual abuse of children by women"

Figures show a range of activities including 382 rapes the most reported is sexual activity with a child.

Absolutely no questioning by the reporter of the rapes

All the figures are from FOI to police forces and taken at face value.

Can't speak to the statistics, and share reserved scepticism over this.

Nevertheless, have always been troubled by a conversation I overheard at the school gate where one mother was salivating to another about the prospect of helping supervise a foreign rugby trip. She was telling her friend how fit the boys were and how up for it. The oldest boy in the cohort was 13. What could or should I have said about it, and to whom? I was shocked, then convinced myself it was just a joke. And tbh I never heard of any problems from that trip - not that I'd have heard necessarily, as my son wasn't in that year.

Have just heard the File on 4 programme, which is very disturbing.

It doesn't help to minimise this or to say men are much worse. Which they unquestionably are. But it would be appalling if these aberrations were used as an excuse to admit male bodied people to restricted spaces.

including 382 rapes

Every single one of which was perpetrated by a person with a penis, because that's the legal definition of rape in the UK.

This is bullshit.

"True figures"
36 forces E&W (Scotland and NI said it would take too long to put together the figures)

10 400 reports
5400 victims aged 11-17
3800 victims aged under 11
some reports are multiple offences

A steady increase 1249 in 2015 up to 2297 in 2019 - 84% increase that the programme attributes to better reporting and growing awareness.

382 rapes, 2600 each for the most common crimes of sexual activity with a child and sexual assault.

Convictions 201898% guilty of abuse in 2918 male. 66 female.

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including 382 rapes

Every single one of which was perpetrated by a person with a penis, because that's the legal definition of rape in the UK.

Yes worth repeating for the BBC who clearly has no understanding of research/journalism - rape in England and Wales is ‘penetration with a penis’.

I am a woman. I do not have a penis. I CANNOT rape. These are NOT our crimes.

To go to my earlier point upthread - How the hell does this conflation by the BBC help the victims of female sexual assault?