Update from Allison Bailey

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Preliminary Hearing is set for 11 & 12 Feb

twitter.com/BluskyeAllison/status/1350822872441376768?s=19

Seems like Stonewall and her Chambers are trying to hide behind redacted names and blaming each other.
Best of luck Allison, will have spade ready when necessary.

Seems like a new digging exercise is incoming shortly.

I've just read the documents she posted on twitter. I'm not a legal mind of any sort but it appears to me she has a strong case.

Good luck Allison. We're ready and waiting to support you.

All of the information that I received under the Data Protection Act was redacted and the names of individuals removed, so I could see some of what had been said but not who said it. I could not therefore name the people in the claim-which is now used as the basis to criticise the claim-because they had not provided me with those names.

Slimeballs.

Best of luck Allison, everything crossed for you. Wipe the floor with them and show them up for what they are!

Those updates
The overreach of these "charities" is unbelievable.

Thanks for this OP very keen to see how this goes.

Wipe the floor with them and show them up for what they are!

Hopefully this way!

Thanks OP

More power to you, Allison.

Amazing to think that Stonewall is using public money against Allison Bailey

Will chip in again when the time comes, with you all the way Allison.

in the real universe - the one next to this one that we must have accidentally slipped into, Stonewall would be supporting Allison against the bad guys.

Instead, they are the bad guys. Well done to Allison - she has done so much for others even while she is going through such a tough time. I didn't realise her chambers had limited her income - was that effectively a pay cut, or through reduced work do we know?

in the real universe - the one next to this one that we must have accidentally slipped into, Stonewall would be supporting Allison against the bad guys.

Exactly. I feel that way about Keira Bell too. A young lesbian who was struggling with her identity, sold a massive lie and left with irreversible changes to her body as a result.

Stonewall should have been at the front of the crowd leading the support for her. It'd be nice to see them condemning the homophobia and sexual harassment thrown at lesbians because of gender ideology too.

It's really sad to see them behaving like this.

Amazing to think that Stonewall is using public money against Allison Bailey angry

Exactly. I'm so waiting for all these people to be accountable. Fuck off with your crossing out of your names playground bullshit.

Is this like those crime fiction cases where there are two culprits who try and alibi each other out, and it becomes the telling error that gets them caught? I do hope so.

I wonder if Stonewall haven't been on the slide for some time. I remember working with an LGBT organisation some time ago (mid 2000s, IIRC) and they gently broached the subject of Stonewall and how they'd behaved to small LGBT organisations. Gently, because they knew what most people who wouldn't be immersed in knowledge would think, which is: Stonewall = good. I was told that Stonewall didn't listen to all sides of the civil partnership debate, and I think many LGB people felt that Stonewall had just shouted loudest, and sold them out. Not all LGB people, but certainly a lot I met at the time. They felt ignored.

I also remember going to some kind of event where they were launching - or had launched - the "some people are gay, get over it!" campaign. I went because I wasn't sure if what I was being told about them was true, and I wanted to see for myself, where I could. The atmosphere was strange and cultish (there was definitely no dissent in the room). And had a disturbing undercurrent of aggression. I remember thinking: "if you're trying to tackle homophobia, what good is shouting in ALL CAPS at people?" As in: why wasn't their approach more rational, and why didn't they show positive images of same-sex couples, rather than this angry campaign that was never going to do anything but convince homophobes they were right?

And now, fast forward to the Tavi. Why oh why haven't they been at the forefront of this, fighting for LGB youth? But maybe it's all been going wrong for some time and we just didn't know it.

Good luck Allison!

If Alison wins against Stonewall they will be legally sanctioned for orchestrating a campaign of harassment against an individual.

Between that and the Bell judgement there will be irrefutable evidence of two of the main feminist complaints which were always claimed to be lies. I think this is a bigger deal than it first appears.

Best of luck Alison.

Good luck Alison!! With you all the way!

@beargrass

I wonder if Stonewall haven't been on the slide for some time. I remember working with an LGBT organisation some time ago (mid 2000s, IIRC) and they gently broached the subject of Stonewall and how they'd behaved to small LGBT organisations. Gently, because they knew what most people who wouldn't be immersed in knowledge would think, which is: Stonewall = good. I was told that Stonewall didn't listen to all sides of the civil partnership debate, and I think many LGB people felt that Stonewall had just shouted loudest, and sold them out. Not all LGB people, but certainly a lot I met at the time. They felt ignored.

I also remember going to some kind of event where they were launching - or had launched - the "some people are gay, get over it!" campaign. I went because I wasn't sure if what I was being told about them was true, and I wanted to see for myself, where I could. The atmosphere was strange and cultish (there was definitely no dissent in the room). And had a disturbing undercurrent of aggression. I remember thinking: "if you're trying to tackle homophobia, what good is shouting in ALL CAPS at people?" As in: why wasn't their approach more rational, and why didn't they show positive images of same-sex couples, rather than this angry campaign that was never going to do anything but convince homophobes they were right?

And now, fast forward to the Tavi. Why oh why haven't they been at the forefront of this, fighting for LGB youth? But maybe it's all been going wrong for some time and we just didn't know it.

This interview with Ruth Hunt is worth reading for the BTL comments. It's from 2014 when she took over as head of Stonewall. Some are quite critical in a way I suspect The Guardian would no longer allow.

The headline alone is quite ironic.

Reading some of the commentary I have wondered if at least part of the reason she veered Stonewall into being a trans organisation is that she didn't want to deal with some of the complex and thorny issues that a lot of gay men felt the org should be focusing on. Or deal with some of the men who didn't seem thrilled that a woman was appointed.

I'm fairly sure it was mostly the lure of more money coming into the charity but it seems back in 2014 she faced a better reception from the T than from the G.

www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2014/nov/21/ruth-hunt-stonewall-interview-not-interested-in-being-thought-police

“I’ve got no problem with how people feel, they can feel how they want,” Hunt insists. “It’s how people act that I’m desperately concerned about. I am not interested in being the thought police.”

This quote from that article always tickles me. She soon changed her mind.

it seems back in 2014 she faced a better reception from the T than from the G

My impression at the time was that the ropey reception from some gay people only followed a number of gaffs that gave them concerns she was a toff playing at being a campaigner. Posh dinners at a luxury hotel owned by people who execute gays was always going to look bad.

Posh dinners at a luxury hotel owned by people who execute gays was always going to look bad

Well yes, quite!

On standby to do more digging, Allison - please keep us posted.

Good luck Alison - solidarity ❤️

Thanks @OvaHere, that article and comments are interesting. There does seem to have been a big change in direction since 2014.

Good luck Allison

I’m terrible with putting names to faces.... but I read an article today that I can’t find now-suggested by iPhone news updates- in inews from someone from stonewall talking about how as a butch lesbian they are now at risk of violence entering women’s toilets because of women fighting self id laws- is that Ruth Hunt?

I couldn’t find it when I went back to check something and came here to see if there was a thread about it- it was very ‘an arguement that is supposed to be about my rights (as in women’s/lesbian rights)’ has basically caused this. It’s all hyperbolic bs and seemed like a very flimsy attention seeking attack on women. Anyways, was wondering if this article and others like it are gearing up to get more attention aimed against the support for cases like Alison’s.

Anyways, was wondering if this article and others like it are gearing up to get more attention aimed against the support for cases like Alison’s.

There's been quite a bit of that on here from some usual suspects. Accusations that butch lesbians have a tough time in women's loos and this will make it worse. I honestly think a) there's a difference between homophobia in a public setting which I am sure many butch lesbians have experienced and b) your average woman actually mistaking a butch lesbian for an actual man and hounding them out of the ladies. Stonewall et al may well exploit feelings of upset about the first to generate anxiety about the potential for the latter in order to garner support for the cause, they are incredibly cynical.

Squeaky I don't think it was Ruth Hunt. Her view is that we might as well get rid of single-sex spaces because men will always rape women.