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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Another news report calling a criminal a woman

45 replies

Clymene · 04/01/2021 14:17

Bloody Wales Online again.

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/morgans-hotel-swansea-marina-nhs-19428838

This person is referred to as a woman. It is clear from the photo and from this line in the article: "However, the defendant was arrested the following day by officers investigating reports of a "tall, distinctive-looking man" connected to a series of break-ins at flats in Swansea's Maritime Quarter." that this person is not a woman.

Please report to IPSO.

OP posts:
highame · 04/01/2021 14:33

Press regulator has work to do. Around the same time, IPSO had
commissioned an independent review, in which we participated, to
look at whether trans people were being fairly represented in media
reporting. The report concluded that they are, and also noted the
confusion and disquiet among journalists about how the pressure to
use preferred pronouns has led to inaccurate and misleading reporting, which is ultimately unfavourable to women. The report’s author pointed out that journalists felt they could only say this under cover of anonymity. IPSO have announced they will be reviewing their trans reporting guidelines, and we will ensure we are involved. We will continue to lodge complaints with IPSO when we see such reporting. We are scheduled to meet with IPSO in the new year.

Interesting lift from Fair Play for Women 2020 report, so I feel optimistic that things will eventually move in a positive direction

MondayYogurt · 04/01/2021 14:44

the defendant has previous convictions for 82 offences including for robbery, causing death by dangerous driving, house burglaries and more than 40 and non-dwelling burglaries - one of which was of a police station. The convictions are from courts as far afield as Carlisle, London, and Bristol. Her last conviction - for common assault and battery - involved at incident at Swansea's Pump House pub on October 3, for which she was was sentenced to six weeks in prison.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 04/01/2021 15:32

And which prison will she be sent to?

(Were all her convictions during the time she was deemed to be female, I wonder.)

GnomeOrMistAndIceGuy · 04/01/2021 15:39

These are not women's fucking crimes!!! Are they recorded as such? I am genuinely curious. And as PP asks, what prison will this person be placed in? God it drives me crackers.

BagnoldSummer · 04/01/2021 15:42

Presumably the police found the biologically correct description of the suspect helpful.

CranberriesChoccyAgain · 04/01/2021 16:01

@BagnoldSummer

Presumably the police found the biologically correct description of the suspect helpful.
Have we reached the point yet where someone can be charged with a hate incident for describing the biological sex instead of preferred gender of a suspect?
NotTerfNorCis · 04/01/2021 16:02

This should be illegal in crime reporting, whether in the media or in stats. The important fact is what people are, not what they claim to be.

Otellie · 04/01/2021 16:07

"tall, distinctive-looking man"

😂 I guess the journalist made sure it was in there somewhere. Lucky the public recognised what was right before their eyes.🤔

Soubriquet · 04/01/2021 16:09

It’s funny isn’t it...

A transwoman is called a woman..and actual woman is called absolutely anything else apart from woman Hmm

andyoldlabour · 04/01/2021 16:12

80 offences including death by dangerous driving (I know someone who got ten years for that) and breaking IN to a Police station - slightly confusing Confused
Blames their crime spree on "community bullying"

CranberriesChoccyAgain · 04/01/2021 16:21

mobile.twitter.com/StoatlyL/status/1345883571651825666

justanotherneighinparadise · 04/01/2021 16:26

Well when woman means nothing at all then who’s to say what sex or gender they are 🤷‍♀️ It’s all just nonsense words that have no meaning.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 04/01/2021 16:32

Once there was an elephant,
Who tried to use the telephant—
No! No! I mean an elephone
Who tried to use the telephone—
(Dear me! I am not certain quite
That even now I've got it right.)
Howe'er it was, he got his trunk
Entangled in the telephunk;
The more he tried to get it free,
The louder buzzed the telephee—
(I fear I'd better drop the song
Of elephop and telephong!)

It almost, but not quite, sounds like something written in plain English!

With my thanks to Laura Elizabeth Richards for Eletelephony, a poem I learned in my childhood that has been popping into my head more often recently.

Defaultname · 04/01/2021 17:04

The police lineup should be interesting.

Seriously, would they be looking for half a dozen lady members of the pubic to take part in it?

(For once, I've intended the spelling mistake!).

NiceGerbil · 04/01/2021 17:14

Will be recorded as crime committed by a female, and default would be womens prison.

ArabellaScott · 04/01/2021 17:15

That one person alone looks capable of massively skewing the figures.

That is promising, highame. Let's hope 2021 is when the institutional capture is reversed and things get put back to some semblance of sane.

ArabellaScott · 04/01/2021 17:17

Have we reached the point yet where someone can be charged with a hate incident for describing the biological sex instead of preferred gender of a suspect?

We passed that point ages ago. As far as I understand, anyone can be reported for a hate incident for absolutely anything. It doesnt matter what was or wasn't done, it's to do with the pereception of the person reporting (doesn't need to be the 'victim').

BagnoldSummer · 04/01/2021 17:27

describing the biological sex instead of preferred gender

I don’t see how an an observer can describe to the police anything other than what they observed - height, age, sex, ethnicity, clothing, make-up, hair etc

How would they know a person’s gender identity? I thought it was an internal feeling, and to presume would be offensive.

MoltenLasagne · 04/01/2021 17:31

Possibly Layla Moran can use her skills of looking into people's souls to describe gender identity. Rest of us would be stuck with biological male, possibly wearing pink nail varnish but could have had beetroot for lunch.

Clymene · 04/01/2021 17:32

The word woman is basically now only used in swathes of the media to mean who people don't have and never have had female reproductive systems or XX chromosomes.

We have just been erased. We're not just other, we don't exist

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teawamutu · 04/01/2021 20:51

Tips here on how to challenge inaccurate reporting: www.keep-prisons-single-sex.org.uk/challenge-the-media

I'm going to do this and keep doing this. If lots of us did it...

Angryresister · 05/01/2021 11:07

While actual women re imprisoned for much lesser offenses, men’s crimes have to be much higher up the scale to receive the same punishment. And these particular men seem to get more immunity....

PotholeParadies · 11/01/2021 19:08

Another one. This seems to be quite a convoluted tale.

www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/amy-gray-fred-west-prank-4877180

Amy (a convicted sex offender) tried to frame Amy's ex (also a sex offender) for further sex offences, in order to punish him for leaving and starting a new relationship.

ArabellaScott · 11/01/2021 19:17

"She says that offending was born out of confusion with her identity and not an attraction to children or women."

Hmm
gardenbird48 · 11/01/2021 19:21

@PotholeParadies

Another one. This seems to be quite a convoluted tale.

www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/amy-gray-fred-west-prank-4877180

Amy (a convicted sex offender) tried to frame Amy's ex (also a sex offender) for further sex offences, in order to punish him for leaving and starting a new relationship.

So another person blaming their sex offending on being trans and then committing another (admittedly not directly a sex offence? or was that story just a cover for some actual sex offending - I got a bit lost) but then the defence arguing that despite said sex offences this person is no risk??

It’ll never happen...

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