A vote for Labour = a vote against women's rights??

[ClaireP20]

I've been giving some thought about who women can vote for if they are concerned about protecting women's rights, and feel confident that the party will support safe spaces, ensure more protection for women prisoners, women's groups, etc etc.

I don't think I could vote, in all good conscience, for Labour again. So many examples of supporting trans activists at the expense of supporting women.

Dawn Butler, attacking what she described as outdated legal measures designed to protect single-sex facilities "Labour will remove outdated language from the Equalities Act. And there is no way these spaces will be permitted to discriminate against trans people".

Rebecca Long-Bailey, Angela Rayner and Dawn Butler backing a trans rights charter that calls on Labour to expel “transphobic” members and describes campaigns including Woman’s Place UK as “trans-exclusionist hate groups”.

Now Eddie Izzard has decided to become a Labour MP, and bringing with his all his hate filled vitriol towards women (in my humble opinion).

I think Tony Blair has it spot on in the interview below, which I'm copying as an interesting read:
www.spectator.co.uk/article/labour-s-trans-rights-problem

I can't find too much information on where Conservatives stand on the issue though (but is this deliberate?)

Who can feminists genuinely vote for?

I think you'll find many feminists consider themselves politically homeless at the moment. I'll vote for whomever I consider most likely to be of benefit. At the moment, I don't have a party to vote for.

i think we've got three yrs (before next ge) to turn this ship around and i want to play a role in that...

I am cautiously optimistic society wise that the adults are starting to speak out. But I'm not so confident about the Labour party. Starmer appears to be too scared? to stop the bullying and intimidation that happens to mainly women - or of course maybe he enjoys it and really is an anti vaxxer, flat earther, science denier who believes TWAW?

At the moment I also consider myself politically homeless and hell will freeze over before I give my vote to any party intent on obliterating women's rights and the safeguarding of children.

this is the time to re-group and win the party back. it can be done.

I am also politically homeless atm and couldn't vote for any party in good conscience. I'd go back to labour in a flash if they stopped undermining women's rights with empty and nonsensical rhetoric and quite frankly dangerous ideas i.e. Nandy supporting male born prisoners being detained in the female estate.

This conversation has been rolling on for quite a long time on MN (not that it isn't worth raising again).
I think that there are 2 types of women Labour supporters, those who aren't terribly interested in trans issues, which I believe is most of them, and those who believe that a continuing Tory government would prove more damaging to women than those provided by trans rights, so swallow their objections.
And many Labour supporters believe that, by staying with the Party, they can change it from within.
FWIW I can only feel distaste for a Party that is quite so flagrant in it's disregard for Womens Rights, while simultaneously trumpeting how keen they are on the said rights.

I've just been reading a post by a woman elsewhere who has been banned today from her local CLP group. She joined an online discussion on a post about Eddie Izzard calling himself a girl and a lesbian, and because she objected she's been banned without notice.

Misogyny should have no place in the Labour Party, its not even a minority view. We can't turn Labour around if the misogynists are busy trying to undermine equality laws and kicking us out.

you missed out the third type of lab woman who believe completely in trans ideology.

i had been warned- but to see (many local members on fb) all trumpeting the brave eddie izard 'joining the fight againt the patriachy' was a bit stomach turning.
however i say to myself they'll get it soon - many have.

I wont vote labour again while they buy into the TWAW mantra. It's not just because of the issue, it's for what it represents to me .. an inability to see other viewpoints, to be open to discussion, to not just dismissing people who disagree with you as bigots. Who I'll vote for? I've no idea, not the other shower for sure. My natural home is Labour, that's why I'm so angry with them. And I know there's a lot of people in Labour who agree with me, but they won't speak up (apart from the brave few we know of). That cowardice grates with me. There are a lot of female MPs I admired that I have absolutely no time for now because of this.

I can't vote Labour with their policies at the moment. If they try to get rid of safe spaces, I'll vote elsewhere.

If izzard (a privilege celebrity white biological male) makes it onto a all women's shortlist I do believe there will be a grassroots revelation for women still in the party.

I don't expect to vote Labour again in my lifetime (breaks my heart). I think it will take a generation for them to clear out all the trans fanatics and misogynists and that will take guts I don't think KS has.

Absolutely!

It won't take a lifetime - people have only had these bizarre notions for 5/6 years max - it won't take that long to reverse them. If you read the stories of people who were all fun-on TRA's and then saw the light, you'll be encouraged. We can do this - as long as we organise, confront and unite and stick to truth and logic.

@LouHotel

If izzard (a privilege celebrity white biological male) makes it onto a all women's shortlist I do believe there will be a grassroots revelation for women still in the party.

I am really hoping this happens, it would be the best sunlight of all.

I think most GC women are politically homeless. I'm Scottish and a unionist to boot so I've been politically homeless for around a decade now! It's a shame as my MSP is actually brilliant in many ways so that would normally have been my get out of jail free card, but he's Lib Dem and made his thoughts perfectly clear during the Forensic Medicine bill.

@Helmetbymidnight

you missed out the third type of lab woman who believe completely in trans ideology.

i had been warned- but to see (many local members on fb) all trumpeting the brave eddie izard 'joining the fight againt the patriachy' was a bit stomach turning.
however i say to myself they'll get it soon - many have.

Can any of them actually explain how he is fighting against the patriarchy? Because I don't understand this way of thinking at all.

@Helmetbymidnight

you missed out the third type of lab woman who believe completely in trans ideology.

i had been warned- but to see (many local members on fb) all trumpeting the brave eddie izard 'joining the fight againt the patriachy' was a bit stomach turning.
however i say to myself they'll get it soon - many have.

I do hope so - I find it so depressing how they can just act as if this isn't one of the biggest and most immediate threats to women's rights..

What are they thinking?!?!

Join the party, get a say in selection, speak to them, even if they appear stuck in #bekind mode, the critical thinking will eventually trickle in.

How is Eddie Izard fighting the patriarchy? I guess it's because he's joined #teamgirl

That sounds like a cracker joke.

If this is not sorted in the next 3 years, this WILL be an election issue. Women in all the major parties are working together, talking to peers and MPs, and we are making it plain that not only will we not vote for any politician who spits on women’s rights, we will actively campaign against them and work to inform their constituents about their anti-women stance, and anti-safeguarding of children views. This applies both to prospective MPs as well as local politicians.
We won’t be able to do it everywhere, but we are damned well going to try.

YESS - I will do it in my area. Absolutely.

Is there a national Labour GC group?

Well in a strange way it's good to see that I'm not the only one politically homeless. I'll look further in Conservative party lines on this..so will see xx

Seld ID was proposed by The Conservatives and supported by Maria Miller and Justine Greening.

Join the party, get a say in selection, speak to them, even if they appear stuck in #bekind mode, the critical thinking will eventually trickle in
I cant in good conscience give money that I work bloody hard for to a party that thinks I dont exist.
I refuse to join a party that cannot name me.
It's not my problem that they are stuck in #bekind mode, and I'm not their fucking mother and I'm not going to fix it.
They either believe I matter or they dont. So far they dont.
There are other parties out there. I will give my vote to the one that can describe a woman and promises to keep my single sex spaces.
And if labour do an about turn now, then I may vote for them at the next ge, if they do an about turn weeks before the next ge, they can get to fuck.

@Gurufloof

Join the party, get a say in selection, speak to them, even if they appear stuck in #bekind mode, the critical thinking will eventually trickle in I cant in good conscience give money that I work bloody hard for to a party that thinks I dont exist. I refuse to join a party that cannot name me. It's not my problem that they are stuck in #bekind mode, and I'm not their fucking mother and I'm not going to fix it. They either believe I matter or they dont. So far they dont. There are other parties out there. I will give my vote to the one that can describe a woman and promises to keep my single sex spaces. And if labour do an about turn now, then I may vote for them at the next ge, if they do an about turn weeks before the next ge, they can get to fuck.

Applauds Gurufloof