Peter sutcliffe doc on netflix

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If there is any starker, more blatant, documentary about the effect of violence on women as a sex, I'm yet to see it.

I was born in 77 and did not realise the half of it.

I feel sickened. I have cried. The violence. The mutilation.

The fear of women all over the UK at the time.

The vulnerability, the fear, the way prostitutes were spoken of. The othering of female women who unfortunately ended up in prostitution.

And fuck all has changed. We are still being intimidated by men.

We're still scared of going out alone in the dark. We're still told to not leave our group of friends in a club. We're still told not to dress a certain way or we may attract unwanted attention.

In fact, we've had a message from my dd's high school that on own clothes day, if girls are wearing leggings, they need to wear a top to cover their bums so they don't distract the boys (believe me, I am in discussions with the school about this)

But WE HAVEN'T FUCKING MOVED ON, since the 70's.

I despair. I really do.

Ramblings of someone who is self-isolating and has had a couple of glasses of wine. But i am so angry.

And julie Bindel 💗 saying men held it over women as a tool to keep them in their place. Grrrrrrr

Final episode policeman mentions him killing 'people', then 'viciously killing people'. No he didn't kill 'people'. He murdered WOMEN.

Just watching it.

Horrific sexism. And not much has changed.

I was struck by how little the West Yorkshire Police seem to have learned from the shitshow that was their investigation. Holbeck managed zone, anyone? It was great to see Julie Bindel, Joan Smith and Christa Ackroyd being given a decent amount of commentary time, and the names and images of the women being prioritised over those of their killer.

Not sure why pp are saying nothing has changed. I remember the 1970s, I lived in WY at the time, and a heck of a lot has changed. That's not to say more doesn't need to be done.

I found the ex police officers talking about how the police at the time had just been amalgamated into a WY county force interesting. That the city police had been more experienced in serious crime but the creation of WY police might have hampered the investigation. I haven't seen that discussed before

I watched it and it made me feel sick. I didn’t realise how awfully the women were treated

I had the pleasure of meeting with Richard McCann a few years back now and I read his book.

I find him really inspiring as a person to go through the trauma of his mum being labelled as a prostitute and to live with the trauma of her being killed.

I see he finally got some kind of police apology for how the women were treated.

We were watching the first two episodes last night. The way the women were treated was appalling!

I watched episode one. I’m into true crime and serial killers and so far they’ve left a lot out but maybe it’s still to come? Because there were several survivors.

@snowpan Netflix also lied to him about the documentary to get him and others involved- on that basis I refuse to watch the documentary

@missbipolar

It isn't the documentary itself Richard McCann objects to, he saw a full preview of it and said it was "really well done and done sensitively". He said he objects to the title of it, which is understandable.

I'm not sure the documentary makers would have the final say in the title. Just as newspaper article writers often don't have any say in the headlines

Richard McCann is an inspiration - I just write to him. A chance meeting did change my life. He was so gracious and honest.

I just felt a great deal of gratitude for meeting him.

His ted talk is well worth a listen to.

I am sure his mother Wilma must be so proud of him.

I may just write to him I meant to say.

I am sure his mother Wilma must be so proud of him.

Oh yes very much so. What a credit to her, and the city of Leeds, he is

Finished the series last night. I was shouting at the TV - the male officers, particularly Oldfield and that tape, their attitudes were what I have found typical of men in authority ie “it’s all about me and my brilliant idea and now I’ve stuck my stake in the ground I’m going to go with it despite evidence to the contrary”
I saw no humility or recognition that their relentless pursuit of the tape and dismissal of other lines of enquiry was hugely negligent. The women who died, and women in general, were just concepts to them. Not real people

I’ve watched it and it was awful how lots of people went on TV basically saying ‘look, we get why you hate prostitutes but you need to stop killing innocent girls’. There was even some guy who said something like ‘you’re risking the public having sympathy for prostitutes now because you’ve killed so many’. Absolutely sickening and such incompetence by the police over the hoax tapes. Bumbling idiots.

That’s said, things have changed massively since the 1970s and I’m sure someone who was around during that time would find the suggestion offensive that things are just the same. They really aren’t. That’s not to say they can’t be improved though.

I was a little girl in the '70s, nowhere near Leeds. But I was terrified of the YR and remember a boy telling me he murdered girls to scare me. It worked.

I shall watch the documentary. Those poor women.

I’m 2 episodes in.
I’m in my 30’s and the way the university women described feelings of fear at the time is similar to how I felt as a teenager.

It is very sad things haven’t changed much

It's horrifying.

Incidentally, because this is on now it reminded my mum of a story from when she first moved in with dad. He was taken in for questioning because he matched the Yorkshire Ripper's description to a tee. Apparently he was questioned quite thoroughly and it took a long time for him to be allowed to come back home. Alibis checked out at least. Mum said it did make her give him the side eye for a bit, after all, they had just set up home together.

Turns out he just cheated, backhanded and beat his women. Murder was a step too far.

I am in the middle of the first part of this documentary and just had to back track to see if I heard something correctly! After the first few murders were stated as prostitute killings, the next one was not a prostitute. Her mother is clearly heard saying "unlike the others she was just an innocent victim" - EH!? So the first 3 slaughtered women were not innocent victims because they sold sex? Wow just wow!!!

As someone in the US who just knew the vague outline of this case, I was riveted. Really appreciate the focus on the misogyny that infused the investigation and the press coverage. And, on a totally unrelated note, damn, some of those neighborhoods were grim.

Christa Ackroyd pulls no punches.

I love her.

Tonight I learned that a lot of disadvantaged women who exchange sex for money because they are desperate define themselves as 'survivalist sex workers' which is sad and very telling and I definitely have a new found understanding and compassion for the women that self id that way.

I imagine 'prostitutes' were probably ok with 'prostitute' until it became a slur used to alienate, dehumanise and excuse violent behaviour against them by men. I have definitely only ever heard "prozzy" used to slander women, never the men who solicit them and its undeniable the term has connotations of wickedness the likes of which men like Sutcliffe, Gary Ridgway, Joel Rifkin have preyed on and used to feel vindicated. It's ironic that those men are actually the wicked ones. Fuck those misogynist weak dysfunctional tiny little bullying turd faced pathetic men.

It's just awful the way they spoke about the women. I hated watching them interview prostitutes at the time saying "what the hell are you playing at, aren't you scared?" As if they thought those poor women would be putting themselves in such a vulnerable position if they had any other choice!

Not much different from the way the Grooming gang victims were treated.