Peter sutcliffe doc on netflix

[Suckmyfatone]

If there is any starker, more blatant, documentary about the effect of violence on women as a sex, I'm yet to see it.

I was born in 77 and did not realise the half of it.

I feel sickened. I have cried. The violence. The mutilation.

The fear of women all over the UK at the time.

The vulnerability, the fear, the way prostitutes were spoken of. The othering of female women who unfortunately ended up in prostitution.

And fuck all has changed. We are still being intimidated by men.

We're still scared of going out alone in the dark. We're still told to not leave our group of friends in a club. We're still told not to dress a certain way or we may attract unwanted attention.

In fact, we've had a message from my dd's high school that on own clothes day, if girls are wearing leggings, they need to wear a top to cover their bums so they don't distract the boys (believe me, I am in discussions with the school about this)

But WE HAVEN'T FUCKING MOVED ON, since the 70's.

I despair. I really do.

Ramblings of someone who is self-isolating and has had a couple of glasses of wine. But i am so angry.

I binged it yesterday, probably not the best idea, I didn't get much sleep. I thought it was really well made in that it focused on the women and their humanity and the impact the violence had on women not just across the North of England but all over the UK. PS was only really discussed in the final episode (he would have hated that).

I read The Five by Hallie Rubenhold earlier this year and there were so many parallels, not just the nickname of the killer and the brutality of the murders but also the way the women were portrayed at the time and how history has written them off as a one dimensional side story to their own demise.

I watched the show as well. It was harrowing.

The attitudes towards the women were awful but it was of it's time. It wasn't just the police and the press but the public as well. The public didn't care too much when it was just prostitutes who were targeted.

This reminded me of what Ludovic Kennedy said about how the police become fixated on one version of a crime or one individual and they decide to stick to it no matter what. Why do they do this? They had testimony from 2 surviving victims that the attacker had a Yorkshire accent but continued blindly blundering down the path of the Geordie suspect who sent tapes and letters.

It was a hard watch. But it prompted a worthwhile discussion with DH.

He was puzzled over what's wrong with telling women not to go out alone when there's a psychopath on the loose.

I explained. I said, why should women have to modify their behaviour because of male behaviour? It was a man doing it, so why punish women? Why not lock down all the men? Make them all go home before dark, or only let them out with their wives or mothers?

I saw the light come on. He got it.

I watch this. I was born in 1980 and this is the second documenty I have recently seen on peter sutcliffe and I though it brought home the sheer terror. I saw Richard McCann in both and he is an inspiration.

Christa ackroyd I grew up with reading the news and she was so articulate and insightful.

Christa Ackroyd is fantastic.

@HearMeSnore
had exactly the same conversation with my DH! It was like seeing a light bulb switch on!

Did anyone notice the one interview of a woman and she said it could be any woman, any "proper woman". That was, shocking. How casual it seemed. No one cared when thr police said it's just prostitutes.

Finished this yesterday.
Really interesting to relive the fear that we felt and hear from those interviewed, a much more substantial doc than I've seen previously. Glad I watched.

But now Holbeck is even more troubling if that's possible.
We learnt nothing.

I find Richard McCann sets off my dangerous man signals....

I hope I’m wrong but I remember years ago reading reviews of his books and excerpts and feeling like he had a fuck tone of misogyny himself. Complaining about how shameful it was at school if people found out his mother was a prostitute - I hope it’s error of recall but I don’t remember him ever disputing that when he was first selling books. I remember him sounding angry at her. His description of his very violent father beating his step mother,breaking her bones then describing the positive things about him doesn’t sit right. I also find some of his comments to the press very strange- calling one news paper to say he was relieved at paper suctckifs death and another news paper to say he took no happiness in it and had called sutcliffs brother to say that he was so sorry for his loss. He also spoke to news papers after he wrote to sutcliff- he asked to do so and needed it to be ok’d first, then told news papers after that he got peace from it and was happy to see sutcliff had taken responsibility for his crimes (he didn’t at all, ‘best’ he said was that it was bad he did them, I am 100% sure that Richard, as a man who makes his living from inspirational speeches, knows enough about basic emotional literacy to see there’s zero responsibility taken in that teensy omission. I remember thinking at the time I read that one that it felt like he was looking for any excuse to call newspapers and imho i always felt like it came across that he used what a violent man did to his mother for his own gains. I’d love to be wring on that, I’d love that whatever misogyny he might have had years ago has been rectified and that his recent calls for his mother to be recognised as not having been a prostitute and his other call outs of misogyny around the case handling is maturity and insight and a new respect for women, but my gut tells me it’s just trendy now for him to say this when it wasn’t a decade plus ago.

I always wonder why it’s him speaking up so much and not his three sisters. One did take part in one documentary, and sadly took her life, but I always feel it doesn’t sit right that it’s a man up there speaking for women not other women.

In the 1970s there were probably some misogynists in government. Now we have one as Prime Minister.