FPFW: conclusive evidence that transwomen retain male patterns of offending

[Clymene]

FPFW have got new data from the MOJ for 2019. Half of all transwomen prisoners (163j were incarcerated for sexual offences (81).

https://fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-male-criminality-sex-offences/?fbclid=IwAR1e9OfURrnGv6DLey6oaL3XTzkygZNhSPMRcCuEbmLL_UcWNeIhOAQbSMA

As a reminder, there are fewer than 4,000 women in prison in total.

So the number of recorded transwomen# in prison for sexual offences is very similar to the total number of prisoners recorded as women* for sexual offences?

probably an underestimate as not all transwomen have come out/been recorded

• would probably include tranwomen with a GRC but who knows?

How many women are in prison for sexual offences?

How many women are in prison for sexual offences?

Data from March 31st 2019 show that 99% of the 13359 sex offenders in prison in England and Wales were male (13234 prisoners). Only 1% of sex offenders were female (125 prisoners).

Is there any differentiation between those who identified as transgender before going to prison and those who only transitioned after they went to prison?

Wow FPFW are doing amazing work. I'm still impressed by what they figured out from those prison census reports years ago before the MoJ confirmed the figures.

For anyone wondering like I was, it seems like this figure counts prisoners who've had a "transgender case review" so they've taken it further than saying they're transgender on prison surveys - that's the difference between this and the "1 in 50 male prisoners" statistic we've seen before.

If the Government make the process of getting a GRC even easier, presumably the "1 in 50" statistic becomes very relevant, and terrifying in its implications.

And even with numbers restricted to those who have had a "transgender case review, you have 81 transwomen convicted for sexual offences, compared to 125 female sex offenders. Half of transwoman prisoners, compared to 1% of female prisoners.

sorry 3% not 1% of female prisoners! I misread something

This is really interesting work from FPFW.

I look forward to seeing responses.

The part 2 of that report is even more concerning. It seems once a man has a GRC to become a legal woman the prisons treat them as a woman.

I've copied quite a long section from the FPFW article.

If a transwoman with a GRC is considered to present a high risk of harm to female prisoners that person will be located on E-Wing at Downview women’s prison. This is because they are “required to be located in the women’s estate because they hold Gender Recognition Certificates and are legally femalele” (as stated in paragraph 3.1 of E-Wing policy). During the day some of these high-risk transgender prisoners will “have access to the …. activities within the main site alongside other womenen” (paragraph 10.3 of E-wing policy). No official figures are available for the number of GRC holders in prison but it has been reported there have been up to 3 GRC holderss_ requiring supervision in E-wing.

Also, this is very concerning:

Prisoners with a GRC are excluded from the annual transgender count so there are no accurate figures of the total number of transwomen (with and without a GRC) in women’s prisons.

It seems the figures are actually likely to be an underestimate, then?

Although everyone knows that male pattern crime doesn't change because someone believes in gender identity, it's still frustratingly necessary to prove it, it seems.

Fair Play for Women's ongoing pursuit of factual, backed up evidence, is vital. Provable arguments is what is winning the day. And their credibility and integrity is irrefutable.

Likewise with sport. It's absurd that women have to prove that men are more powerful than them at sport (I can't believe I'm even writing it, to be honest), but that's where we are. Fair play for Women is invaluable.

No men in women's prisons. Or sport. Ffs.

Some of the women sex offenders may well be male GRC holders then

This really shows the importance of collecting accurate data. It really is stark. The other thing to take into account is the number of 74 transgender prisoners means there were potentially 134 victims. 1 perpetrator has more than 1 victim.

I agree Datun. It's madness.

From that report it seems that if a male sex offender obtains a GRC so they are legally a woman then they get housed in the women's prison.

The whole reason we've got into this situation is because we have a law which allows people to legally change their sex. It's a bad law and should be repealed.

It’s a breach of women’s human rights, pure and simple, afaic.

Great work by Nic setting out the data and the arguments so clearly, even though I do hate the use of the term “transwomen”, for its “Rohypnol” effect. (Especially jarring as that classic piece is hosted on the FPFW site!)

A lot is riding on that judicial review, brought by one extremely courageous woman prisoner. Will it be acknowledged in court that women are indeed human beings with full entitlement to human rights, I wonder?

This needs to be submitted to the Women and Equalities Committee right now. Think it was Nicola Richards who was the person who had a go at Rosa about there being no evidence to back up her assertion. Well, now we have it!

The whole reason we've got into this situation is because we have a law which allows people to legally change their sex. It's a bad law and should be repealed.

Agreed. Since we now have same sex marriage and an equal pension age, the law is no longer required for its original purposes. It fulfils no useful functions and causes more problems than it solves.

It's absurd that women have to prove that men are more powerful than them at sport

Yes. It is so absurd. All of it. And offensive. The idea that womanhood is merely an abstract, conceptual notion that can be shrugged on by a person of either sex, instead of a visceral material reality.

And it has only come about because of the huge, stark power differential between men and women, male people and female people. Because we are still not recognised, culturally, (whatever the law says) as full human beings, fully autonomous, with full human rights.

If we were, this whole scenario could never have come about. The infringement of our human rights would have been clear to all from the get go.

I saw a TV advert the other day raising awareness of prostate cancer:
“One man dies every 45 minutes from prostate cancer”
“Men, we are with you”
(Verbatim)

Tell me again why it’s only the word “woman” being erased?

It is well known that most sexual and violent crime is overwhelmingly committed by men and that’s why women and girls sometimes need their own safe space away from men. Not because all men pose a danger but because saying no to all men is a simple and effective way to keep women and girls safe.

Thank you FPFW. It infuriates me when self appointed defenders of the marginalised consider themselves to be on the right side of history by upholding the right of male born people to have access to female spaces. Women in prisons are insignificant to most of society, they have no voice. That anyone in authority would consider moving male sex offenders into the female estate demonstrates that.

"it seems that if a male sex offender obtains a GRC so they are legally a woman then they get housed in the women's prison"

This is where the EHRC (and others) have deliberately and repeatedly undermined our legal right to single-sex exemptions. It seems extraordinary that these men managed to get a diagnosis of gender dysphoria in the first place given what would appear to be a very sudden change to the make-up of their inner souls.

But even with a GRA the single-sex exemptions can be applied. The fact that they are not, and that vulnerable women continue to be put at risk, and their safety and dignity compromised is telling.

Excellent research - and using the MoJ figures as well.
Just as all the emerging sport research and the JR about GIDs demonstrates, women and children are being negatively harmed by the unthinking imposition of an ideology based on a lie.

though I do hate the use of the term “transwomen”, for its “Rohypnol” effect. (Especially jarring as that classic piece is hosted on the FPFW site!)

I agree in general, but when presenting information that is so critical, using accurate language might make it easier for activists to smear and thus persuade others to dismiss them.

Shocking but not surprising data. And yes, the fact that we are being asked to prove what is self evidently true really betrays the depth of hatred towards women on display here. When is the prison judicial review? It's beyond contemptible that women's actual* human rights are being removed like this.

• that's "actual human rights" in the old fashioned "words have meanings sense", not "human rights" in their modern "anything any male says he wants" sense.

Agree on the absurdity.

No doubt we will soon need to provide data that females are the only sex that gestate and give birth.

I would expect much of this data has never been collected because it's so blindingly obvious. We don't usually do research into the undeniable facts of life as it's unnecessary - only now do we have to prove the ridiculous assertion that a male saying they feel like a woman removes their ability/likelihood of committing offences by some kind of vague, magical effect that nobody can or will explain.

No doubt we will soon need to provide data that females are the only sex that gestate and give birth

I read this and thought “yes”, then I realised we're already there, kind of, with the whole “sex is a spectrum” bollocks that people who should know better nonetheless propagate widely.