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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women & Equalities Commitee live today at 2.30

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ArabellaScott · 09/12/2020 14:08

'The Women & Equalities Committee will hear from witnesses tomorrow 9/12 on Reform of The GRA at 2.30 pm. Witnesses include @Docstockk
@ProfAliceS
@GoonerProf
& Prof. Stephen Whittle, Alex Sharpe.'

(from Allison Bailey's twitter feed)

www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/dfc9f53e-2ac4-4c30-8712-e3df47938fd7

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HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 09/12/2020 16:44

Agree ItsAll, but I think she was doing it because she already has a closed mind and wasn't really prepared to listen, hence after the first time Rosa mentioned the Swedish study she asked again where the evidence was. She's wedded to her course because she's struggling to think critically.

ChattyLion · 09/12/2020 16:45

Star Star Star Star Star

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 09/12/2020 16:45

Alice is doing a great job answering leading questions here.

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 09/12/2020 16:46

"Can u each give me your views on whether TWAW or TMAM" ffs

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 09/12/2020 16:47

He clearly thinks this is some kind of gotcha

talesofginza · 09/12/2020 16:51

@ArabellaScott

Dunno, Hecate, she seems really angry that Stock and Freedman didn't have all these stats directly to hand.

This committee is blithering uninformed.

She seemed visibly irritated by the points about male pattern violence translating across to transwomen. What do these people think? That every TW is a latter-day Jesus who has transformed into the virgin Mary? It's bizarre
ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/12/2020 16:52

What do these people think?

They don't think. They parrot thought terminating clichés and are, sadly, incapable of critical thought.

Kit19 · 09/12/2020 16:53

the thing is, no matter what evidence is produced, people like that MP will just hand wave it away because it doenst fit the "most oppressed narrative" they have running in their head

PlantMam · 09/12/2020 16:53

Why is Whittle complaining about the law that Whittle pretty much authored Whittleself anyway?

yourhairiswinterfire · 09/12/2020 16:57

You can see clearly why 'the other side' wants no debate, can't you? 😬

Shedbuilder · 09/12/2020 16:58

I've been on audio-only and I missed hearing who the man was.
He asked two questions that made it clear that he already had a strong pro-trans position. One was regarding the fact that Liz Truss had had three meetings with trans groups/ representatives and none with women and did they think there had been any prejudice as a result? I would have replied along the lines of not being able to say if it was prejudicial: we have no idea what the outcome would have been if women's voices had been heard. Instead they were all badgered into admitting that it wasn't prejudicial.

And then requiring them to state whether they believed TWAW. A*hole. I do hope the women of his constituency will be down on him like a ton of bricks.

And yes, there seemed to be a large gap between the knowledge and IQ of the witnesses, who were extraordinarily articulate and on the ball, and the committee.

Some lovely pick-ups: was it Rosa who pointed out that one of the the reasons that one of the members of the pro-trans panels wanted self-ID to be a casual affair was because, as they'd explained, lots of people were gender-fluid and non-binary and their identity was likely to change, so they didn't want to be bound by signing up to their new gender for life. That was a major own goal and totally undermined the idea that gender ID is innate and unchanging.

anotherFOIrequester · 09/12/2020 16:59

@Kit19

i also note the male MP was insisting that stonewall gained no advantage even though they had personal meetings with MPs on many occasions

"grown up adults" hahaha burn!

I'd say the ability to get another enquiry opened days after the relevant minister outlined the governtment's intentions was evidence of quite an advantage!
HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 09/12/2020 17:00

So grateful to all three of them for staying calm and resolute dealing with some pretty closed minds.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 09/12/2020 17:01

Whittle is a terrible waffler.

I found the second panel members extremely impressive.

Thinking back to my own time at university a loooong time ago, I had the great good fortune to be taught by some very bright people who laid great emphasis on thinking critically and logically and backing up arguments with evidence. All three of the Professors on the second panel struck me as having that same incisive approach. I'd be delighted to think of a young person close to me being taught by any of them.

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 09/12/2020 17:01

I'd say the ability to get another enquiry opened days after the relevant minister outlined the governtment's intentions was evidence of quite an advantage!

I was thinking just that! Why is this happening all over again then?!

Thingybob · 09/12/2020 17:04

The TWAW bloke was Peter Gibson, Conservative MP

Mollyollydolly · 09/12/2020 17:04

The three of them were fantastic. Will they listen. Doubt it, which makes me even angrier. The gap between what they were saying and the quality of the questions they were asked was telling.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/12/2020 17:05

@Thingybob

The TWAW bloke was Peter Gibson, Conservative MP
He reminded me of Harrop, something about the eyes.
Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 09/12/2020 17:05

Male MP is Peter Gibson, Conservative.

committees.parliament.uk/committee/328/women-and-equalities-committee/membership/

Several people not there, I think.

Shedbuilder · 09/12/2020 17:08

Okay, women of Darlington, let your MP know your thoughts on transwomen asap!

Kit19 · 09/12/2020 17:08

he's of course completely neutral about the issue....

www.facebook.com/Gibbo4Darlo/videos/556919898384733/

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 09/12/2020 17:09

The MP who wasn't listening to Rosa or Kathleen properly about the evidence and/or lack of it was Nicola Richards the Conservative MP for West Bromwich East

Kit19 · 09/12/2020 17:11

@HecatesCatsInXmasHats

The MP who wasn't listening to Rosa or Kathleen properly about the evidence and/or lack of it was Nicola Richards the Conservative MP for West Bromwich East
also approaching it completely objectively...

www.conservativehome.com/platform/2020/08/nicola-richards-and-alicia-kearns-why-it-makes-sense-for-us-to-reform-the-gender-recognition-act-gra.html

OvaHere · 09/12/2020 17:27

Thank you everyone who has following and updating. I'm not holding out much hope that the MPs are listening at all. They all seem wedded to Stonewall nonsense.

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 09/12/2020 17:36

Thread from Jane Clare Jones:

twitter.com/janeclarejones/status/1336724074182086656?s=21