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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

CBBC - When Mum Becomes Dad

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ScoldsBridle · 09/12/2020 03:19

My Life, Series 11: When Mum Becomes Dad: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000pz3c via @bbciplayer

I’ve just watched it. First thoughts are what a lovely, bright child the daughter is. Her little brother is sweet too but is very quiet and my heart was breaking when he was talking about a story in school about a child losing their Mum. The mother that is now Dad Jack, was doing all the standard legwork stereotypically done by a ‘Mum’ - ferrying the kids about, organising play dates and birthday parties, helping with piano lessons. The Dad that fathered them featured only when he came to ‘help support’ at his own daughter’s birthday party.

Dad ‘Jack’ (formerly the person the kids knew as their mother) was dressed how I dress but had a deeper voice and facial hair so was obviously taking Testosterone. They were not interviewed as the whole programme was ‘led’ by Tilly (except we know how TV programmes are made and we know it will have been guided and ultimately steered by Dad Jack and the programme ‘consultants’).

It was a classic scripted/constructed ‘documentary’ masquerading as a fly-on-the-wall. Therefore there was lots of ‘oh let’s go and talk to this other person with a transgender dad that I’ve never met before’, or ‘oh look at these photos of my Dad when he was a child that I’ve never seen before’, ‘oh let’s get the boy with the transgender Dad who I just met in Brighton come and help me talk to my little brother’s class of 9 year olds about having a Transgender Dad’.

I felt uncomfortable at the scene where the first child they met who had a Transgender Dad was talking about having to have counselling to deal with it all - it was actually referred to as bereavement counselling. I also felt sorry for the little brother being probed about the upsetting incident in school where someone likened his situation to his Mum having ‘gone away’.I thought it was intrusive and I’m not sure the poor lad was entirely happy being jollied along in the making of this ‘documentary’ by his big sister and Dad Jack.

I couldn’t help but wonder at the ultimate selfishness of Dad Jack and the other Transgender Dads. Dad Jack used some abstract musical metaphor about how living as a woman felt like playing a wrong note on the piano. And there was this infuriatingly unexplained concept of ‘living as a man’ and ‘living as a woman’ What does it mean??!

I felt sorry for the children having to accept this concept that they no longer had a mother. It seems an awful lot to ask of children and, personally, I thought that some of them looked like they were carrying a weight. The class of seemingly well-coached 9 year olds, looked slightly baffled but that might just have been because there was a film crew in their classroom! And the children reinforced the mantra of ‘being kind’ and accepting everything to make other people happy.

I hope I’m allowed to discuss this programme on here. It’s on CBBC so I feel it valid for me to critique it honestly as both a parent and an interested viewer. I see that Freddy McConnell (the Transgender man who is campaigning to be called the father on their child’s birth certificate) was a consultant on the programme and Fox Fisher also helped with the ‘casting’.

Be interested to know what others think. It’s been on Iplayer since 30 November so very recent.

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MyMajesty · 09/12/2020 03:24

I haven't seen it but it sounds awful. Sad

Nomnomarrgh · 09/12/2020 03:38

That sounds very cruel and thoughtless. Yet again the BBC encouraging the destruction of boundaries.

AvocadoBathroom · 09/12/2020 03:46

How confusing and messy. Poor kids.

endofthelinefinally · 09/12/2020 05:34

What strikes me, over and over again, is the level of selfishness and complete self absorption and lack of care or thought for the damage inflicted on the children.

MRC20 · 09/12/2020 05:51

Those poor kids, bloody selfish parents. Imagine sending your child to parental bereavement counseling while their mother is still alive. Can't get my head around the level of gaslighting to a child. I think these kids are being abused and should be removed.

NeurotrashWarrior · 09/12/2020 06:30

I remember fox fisher talking about making that. Pre the Freddie judgement.

Poor kids.

childrenoftransitioners.org/

FannyCann · 09/12/2020 06:45

Sounds like more BBC gaslighting of children. If we think there is a lot of poor mental health among the young today, it will be at epidemic levels in 10-20 years. A generation of children coached to navel gaze and be introspective whilst being taught biological lies. And all the while told to be kind, no boundaries allowed. Sad

TheVanguardSix · 09/12/2020 06:46

What a clusterfuck.

aging · 09/12/2020 06:53

Sorry what do you all mean by gaslighting the children?

NeurotrashWarrior · 09/12/2020 06:56

Lying to them. Denying their own feelings. Telling them this is normal and they must accept it.

NeurotrashWarrior · 09/12/2020 07:12

I do also think there's deliberate moves to use transmen in these types of programmes.

As a pp says, the adult is still in the main caring role. Doing the lion's share of the parenting as mothers do.

Previous attempts to show kids and trans parents have used transwomen which has all been about the clothes they wear.

More of the general public see through that.

MotherExtraordinaire · 09/12/2020 07:16

Yet again this seems like this supposedly PC world that has gone wrong and it's the children affected here but also attempting to normalise this for our unaffected children.

Redwinestillfine · 09/12/2020 07:18

This is on children's BBC not adults BBC??

MindTheMinotaur · 09/12/2020 07:32

Yes, on CBBC, I turned straight off, my daughter was really confused by 'I am Leo'. Endless 'no, you aren't going to wake up as a boy'. Not doing that again.

MondayYogurt · 09/12/2020 09:05

I have concerns about ongoing consent of minors in these situations. Can a child really consent to being broadcast this way?

What if they face real world repercussions - bullying, stalking? Can a child really understand that this piece of their real life will always be accessible, always come up on searches?

It makes me very uncomfortable.

BriocheForBreakfast · 09/12/2020 09:14

@FannyCann

Sounds like more BBC gaslighting of children. If we think there is a lot of poor mental health among the young today, it will be at epidemic levels in 10-20 years. A generation of children coached to navel gaze and be introspective whilst being taught biological lies. And all the while told to be kind, no boundaries allowed. Sad
Quite!
ArabellaScott · 09/12/2020 09:22

@MondayYogurt

I have concerns about ongoing consent of minors in these situations. Can a child really consent to being broadcast this way?

What if they face real world repercussions - bullying, stalking? Can a child really understand that this piece of their real life will always be accessible, always come up on searches?

It makes me very uncomfortable.

I have a long list of concerns. This all makes me intensely sad for the children involved.

If you insist on taking hormones and calling yourself a man fine - surely there's no need to put your kids through the grief - I would call this 'complex grief'- of telling them you're not their mum anymore?

There's definitely no fucking need to make a documentary recording their reactions, ffs. The self absorption is breath taking.

Giningit · 09/12/2020 09:24

The level of selfishness here, is something else. It’s so emotionally abusive to tell a child that their mother no longer exists or has died and to send them to bereavement counselling, just so you can play dress up. Feel sorry for the kids.

cheeseismydownfall · 09/12/2020 09:26

@MondayYogurt

I have concerns about ongoing consent of minors in these situations. Can a child really consent to being broadcast this way?

What if they face real world repercussions - bullying, stalking? Can a child really understand that this piece of their real life will always be accessible, always come up on searches?

It makes me very uncomfortable.

Quite. This isn't showing off your gerbil on My Pet And Me. FFS.
cheeseismydownfall · 09/12/2020 09:29

Well, you know that age old childhood saying... "better a living Dad than a dead Mother". Hmm

sananbaz · 09/12/2020 09:33

My ten year old daughter watched this the other day. I'm mad at the BBC tbh. My daughter does not conform to gender stereotypes and has been mistaken for a boy most of her life. This doesn't bother her and she's happy as she is. When she was seven, she watched two CBBC programs (one with a girl transitioning to a boy, and one of a non conforming girl happy as she was). She got confused when a holiday club worker told her she could change into a boy, and she went through a period of saying she was born in the wrong body. After many talks about her being perfect just the way she is, born the way she was meant to be, I could see a massive weight lifted from her shoulders and she has continued to happily be a girl with short hair and practical clothes. I've had to deflect school from giving us advice from mermaids and stonewall, and I had to put in writing that no one was to talk about being in the wrong body or transitioning to her - they seem to be doing this. She has dealt with a teacher asking her what her preferred pronouns were in front of the rest of the class, (he was surprised she said she/her). She is genuinely happy with herself, her life and her friends. I wouldn't be surprised if she was gay, and if she's happy, we are happy, so no concerns there. However, watching this latest CBBC offering has once again made her think changing herself would make life easier for society to accept her. I am resolute that societies idea of gender stereotyping should change, not my beautiful daughter. I don't want her medicated, sterilised or mutilated to allow society to accept that she is a girl that likes short hair and practical clothes. I don't think that's too much to ask.

cheeseismydownfall · 09/12/2020 09:40

sanabaz, thank you for sharing your story about your daughter, who sounds fabulous. I feel so much anger on her behalf. You are quite right to be calling out that this constant, poorly judged questioning (although probably coming from a well meaning place) is actually hugely damaging to her sense of confidence in being herself. How dare they?

OldCrone · 09/12/2020 09:45

sananbaz
Please write to the BBC and complain. You could just c&p your post from here because I think it expresses perfectly what the problem is. They need to be told what effect these sort of programmes are having on children in the real world.

www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints/make-a-complaint/#/Complaint

purpleme12 · 09/12/2020 09:49

@sananbaz
Oh my gosh that's so bad about what other people tried to say to your daughter!

It does worry me all of this for when my child gets older. I don't feel equipped about how to explain stuff to my daughter like you guys.

burnoutbabe · 09/12/2020 09:53

i sort of think, if your mum changes their gender presentation, they are still your mum?

I mean Catlyn jenner, her kids still say thats my dad? If my dad transistioned at 75, he'd still be my dad, not suddenly my mum?