Conservatives For Women launch today

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“If particular care and attention is not paid to the Ladies we are determined to foment a Rebellion...”
Abigail Adams 1744

Here at Conservative Womens Pledge we told you we intended to redouble our efforts to win back single sex spaces for women and girls; well here is what we are doing!

Until today there was not a single group in the Conservative Party who centred the rights of women, so we are proud to announce the launch of 'Conservatives For Women'.

We are a group of Conservative Party members who will campaign within the public sphere, and in the heart of Westminster, to raise awareness of issues which threaten the safety and dignity of women. We will defend science, reason, free speech and the need for open, tolerant debate that underpins our society.

Come and join us! You don't have to be a party member or even a voter, you just have to care about the rights of women and girls.
conservativesforwomen.org/join-us

Follow us on Twitter: twitter.com/CforWomenUK

and Facebook: www.facebook.com/Conservatives-For-Women-104300591505734

We are working cross party with all the other political women's groups to inform and influence our peers and MPs.

@Anxioustoddler I agree that Tories have made life harder for women. However, going for the race narrative just feeds into the identity politics which is destroying the left. There are right wing regimes in many Asian and African countries too. It's not just for the benefit of white people. Also, Labour have a nicer face but they initiated a lot of unnecessary cuts, and destroyed secular regimes in the Arab world which has resulted in women going from relatively equal to banned from leaving home without a man. They are no saints, they laso represent corporations above ordinary people.

The left are certainly no saints I entirely agree but anyone who thinks the conservative government have anything but distain for women is lying to themselves and any group claiming they care for women who support this sexist, women hating government who have left poor, vulnerable women to suffer for 10 years is also lying.

I mention the ‘race card’ because black/Asian women have disproportionately been affected by and ostracised by this atrocious government and its batshit rules whereas white, middle class women are more likely to vote for them thinking they are somehow above needing to worry about it.

Turkeys voting for Christmas.

You’re right though, it’s not just about race. Making it about race would be almost as stupid as acting as if being on the ‘right’ side of the trans debate is all you have to do to give a shit about women.

What is CWO?

jj1968

That story has been reported in several newspapers and I have had it verified from another source.

The prisoner in question was reported in the prisoners' journal Inside Time as being in the early stages of writing a guide for prisoners about transitioning and the prison process.

I always thought the entire point of cross party working was a) to team up with people you don't vote for and b) to work together on the issues you agree on, as opposed to arguing about the ones where you don't

me too, flo

But these days you can’t do that. Before you so much as follow someone on Twitter you have to forensically scour their entire history since birth and if they once disagreed with you on whether the cream or the jam goes on the scone first, then you have to denounce them. It’s absurd and exhausting and makes respectful public debate impossible.

@jj1968 Like @KeepPrisonsSingleSex I too know someone who is in a position to verify that story, a cousin, not some friend of a friend of friend! Sometimes it is what it is!

@Anxioustoddler that will probably become a self flulfilling prophecy if enough people think as you seem to and refuse to engage with it. You can't help guide it if you don't engage with it! I'm willing to keep on reading and see where it goes. I can't denounce it, refuse to engage whilst it might be what it says it is!

Good to see. I shall follow you on the Twitter. We need less of ‘I won’t work with x’ and more cross-aisle co-operating on issues that affect all women.

Yes, both the left and the right are bad for women, because they're completely dominated by men and historical institutional misogyny. We women need to work together for our common interests.

It is vital to build a consensus across parties. As others have pointed out, the success of groups like Stonewall is capturing people across the political spectrum so their version becomes the norm. Some issues have to transcend party politics eg IIRC the rough sex defence had cross party support. By all means join up with whatever political group best fits but where there are areas of agreement let’s work together. The only way to resist institutional capture is to show a broad consensus and shine light from many directions.

What are your policies with regard to ending (a) child poverty and (b) air pollution?

@PumpkinSpiceWoman

What are your policies with regard to ending (a) child poverty and (b) air pollution?

Probably as yet unformulated, given how new they are!

That's why they want us, women of all political persuasions to have input!

Is anyone else a bit worried about all this consent stuff? I find it weird and I don't know where it's leading to. Whenever I ask about it I get vague responses. I went to a workshop on it and all the women doing the workshop did was say things like "well what do you think?". I was asking straightforward questions like could a man be arrested for rape if a woman had sex with him and later proved that she never explicitly consented. Everyone acted as if I was stupid and just slowly repeated some mantras which were not self evidently true.

I feel like it is going to be used to get rid of politically inconvenient people - they will all be charged with rape. I'm politically inconvenient myself and a few of my friends including my partner have been aggressively pursued by random foreign women that we don't know.

Why are feminists saying this is what women want? I feel like women are never even asked about anything and these self appointed weirdos speak for us on all issues.

Can you expand lobelia?

What consent stuff

What workshops

If a woman can prove that she didn't consent then that's rape? What do you mean by 'explicitly consent'?

Why do you think that all and sundry will be done away with by false rape accusations in the face of the stats around rape?

Why are you politically inconvenient? In what way are you being accused by lots of random women and who is taking it seriously?

It sounds difficult and I'd be interested to hear more.

Yes. I worked in a university and there were cases where young men had groped sleeping or drunk girls at parties. It was reported by the students thta it was a rampant problem. Bear in mind we start university at 17 and have mostly sex segregated schools so these are basically children with no life experience we are talking about. The university responded by hosting workshops on consent which I totally supported.

However, there seemed to be a push from the audience to say that consent should be explicit. For example if a woman sleeps with a man but doesn't explicitly say that she wants to, this could be rape. I have never explicitly told someone that I would like to sleep with them and I think most people my generation would prefer not to have this conversation and tend to rely on implicit consent such as an invitation home for a drink, provided neither is too drunk. I think this is adequate.

The cases where the women were too drunk or tired or even too young to consent are clear cases of sexual assault under even current legislation.

My partner is a member of a political/historical organisation. One night in a pub he frequents a woman aggressively pursued him to the point that his friends told her to go away. It was very strange for a woman to apparently be out drinking on her own and pursuing men in that country so people were suspicious. He ran away when she was smoking. Two years later we found out she was a journalist with links to a far right organisation. I have no doubt it was a trap and I am convinced it will become a more common one.

Any women here in the Scottish Conservatives? With the Holyrood elections in May, there might be potential for some sort of collaboration with Conservatives for Women?