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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I just need a vent

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rogdmum · 05/12/2020 09:37

I just need to vent and I get more characters here than on Twitter. Grin

I am so pleased for Keira. I am so pleased that it appears as though we are finally seeing the start of the end of this shit. It has been a long long time coming- much longer for many than me. I will be forever grateful to people like Stephanie Davies-Arai and Michelle Moore and Dr David Bell and Dr Marcus Evans and Sue Evans and above all Keira Bell (I know I am missing names here) for standing up while they faced endless abuse. I am so pleased that surely we will now start to see a change in not only the healthcare provided to gender distressed children and adolescents, but also in the wider affirmation approach adopted by many schools.

However, I am furious. I am incandescent at what our daughter’s school has put (and continues to put) us through as a family. They have utterly failed her. They have utterly failed my husband, my son and me. They affirmed her behind our backs. They told our (then) 17 year old son who was completely unaware and then had the burden of telling us.

A school should have the parents’ backs in situations as sensitive as this. They should not tell parents they have no say in the matter. They should not mislead parents into thinking they were not affirming while merrily doing so behind their backs. They should not blindly follow the whims of a lobby group, seemingly valuing the prestige of a pretty award over the well being and protection of a child - for these are children. They are not mini adults. They need our protection.

When schools blindly affirm and hide it from parents, they intentionally create division. They intentionally promote parental alienation. They strip us of all of our rights as parents. They assume parental responsibility themselves. However, when it goes wrong (e.g. decline in mental health), the responsibility is dumped back on us. Full responsibility without the ability to actually parent.

I love my daughter. I love her more than I can express and what the school has done is unforgivable. They have effectively locked in a house and we are the only ones trying to leave a window open for her. They have no concept of safe guarding. They have no concept of child protection. I sat in a meeting with the Head and Deputy Head where they seemed utterly baffled by why I was upset with their approach. This has had a great impact on my son as well and they appeared genuinely confused as to why it would (he had once asked for purple stickers for an LGBT event so I suppose they thought, why would he be negatively affected. After all, he asked for stickers!).

And while I am pleased beyond belief that I think there will be changes, I am desperately worried about the impact this will have on my daughter. It is a politically explosive issue, particularly here in Scotland. She has been turned into a little political football by the school and I am worried about the fall out.

This was entirely within their control- I have spent a year sending them information on the wider issue, on TransegenderTrends guide for schools, pointing them in the direction of “gold standard” therapists (even offering to pay for a session so they could hear about best practice). All of this was ignored. This was entirely preventable and yet it happened.

And continues to happen to far too many families like myself. My child and my family are being replicated up and down the country. We all have the same story and while I am so happy I believe change is on its way, I am furious that it has come to this. How did we let this happen?

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NonnyMouse1337 · 05/12/2020 10:01

I have nothing helpful to say, rogdmum. My heart goes out to you and your family. FlowersFlowers
I'm shocked the gender clinic in Scotland is digging its heels in instead of re-evaluating its procedures based on Kiera's court case.

langclegflavoredbananamush · 05/12/2020 10:12

She has been turned into a little political football by the school

Even just this by itself is so fucking unforgivable. So much damage. FlowersFlowersFlowers

Deliriumoftheendless · 05/12/2020 10:18

I’ve read a lot of your posts rogdmum and you and your family have my deepest sympathy.

I have nothing else to add I'm afraid.

Kaliorphic · 05/12/2020 10:20

I'm so sorry. I would be so angry too. I'm angry for you.

Alethiometrical · 05/12/2020 10:24

Nothing useful to say @rogdmum but angry on your behalf. Flowers Vent away. And - although I doubt you have the emotional or physical energy - it sounds as though there's a strong case against the school for its overstepping of boundaries, its actions, and its lack of safeguarding.

If your darling D were anorexic, would they be giving her diet sheets, and restricting her food at lunchtime?

A young relative of mine decided they were trans, and I've seen the pain (in this case the parents had different views on their child, & the situation kept by one parent from the other for a year - how the marriage has survived is beyond me ...).

OhHolyJesus · 05/12/2020 10:26

I have nothing useful to say other than I'm raging - absolutely fucking in a descent - for your daughter, you, your whole family and I will fight until I'm on my knees to save girls like yours.

rogdmum · 05/12/2020 10:31

Thank you everyone. There is stuff going on that I can’t talk about yet, but I am nowhere near done pushing this issue.

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DisappearingGirl · 05/12/2020 10:32

I've seen your posts before rogdmum and I'm so angry on your behalf. I have two young daughters (primary age) and am hoping this shit has been turned around by the time they are teens. Flowers

Clymene · 05/12/2020 10:34

I'm so sorry that you and your family have been so harmed by this noxious ideology and the zealots who push it rogdmum

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All I can say is that your voice is heard and necessary in exposing the real life consequences. So thank you for speaking out.

OvaHere · 05/12/2020 10:40

I'm so angry on your behalf. It's unforgivable for a school to behave this way. Flowers

Weirdfan · 05/12/2020 10:47

I've spent a lot of time over the years feeling guilty and questioning my decision to home educate DD (she's always been home Ed and is now 12) but at least she's safe from all this. I'm so angry on your family's behalf OP and so sorry the school have made this even harder for you all Flowers

Jeeeez · 05/12/2020 10:49

Sending you flowers too Flowers Flowers as you've been appallingly treated as a family.
We're all angry for you and for all families caught up in this madness and you can vent here any time you need to.

Cuntysnark · 05/12/2020 10:49

I’m with you. My rage has no limits.

Dances · 05/12/2020 10:53

Sending sympathy OP, it's just awful.

Also LGBT Youth Scotland should be held to account for their advice to children and teachers re. keeping secrets from parents and creating divisions in families.

ChakaDakotaRegina · 05/12/2020 11:28

Big flowers to you and your family Flowers

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 05/12/2020 11:32

I'm so sorry for what you've been through Rogd, your poor family, cup of tea and some flowers for you this morning BrewThanks

umbel · 05/12/2020 11:41

Rage and sympathy.
Our family dodged a bullet on this issue with our son, simply because he is younger. Stay strong.

fatblackcatspaw · 05/12/2020 11:43

You have a right to vent. I just wish we could do something practical.

Thelnebriati · 05/12/2020 11:49

I have concerns about adults who are so easily influenced by lobby groups being involved with children.

RunningWild12 · 05/12/2020 11:54

I’m glad you have space to vent here. And I wish we could do something practical to help. The Scot govt is a mess. I hope the various pushbacks happening will have an effect and this ideological take over of education where safeguarding and child protection policies and procedures jettisoned will end.

The Judicial Review brought by For Women Scotland happens next month, the Hate Crime bill is falling apart at the seams, and Johann Lamont has tabled an amendment for Forensic Medical Services Bill to ensure “sex” is used and not “gender”.

The internal NEC elections in SNP saw some grown ups returned and some who signed the women’s pledge.

They’re not getting everything their own way. Won’t be easy, they will counterattack, lash out and dig in. But we are shining light on what’s going on and we know when people become aware they are angry with what is being done.

LoungeLizardLhama · 05/12/2020 11:56

I’m so sorry that your family has had to deal with this and so fucking angry that this is being played out in families everywhere. I just cannot get my head around the lack of curiosity in people pushing gender ideology. They don’t seem to care a bit about why so many children now hate their bodies, or why such a large percentage of them are girls. I don’t get the refusal to question what is causing so many young people such a disconnect from their own bodies and why anyone would think that the only possible way for a young person to grow up and be happy would be to commit to a lifelong pathway of surgery and drugs. Obviously money is a huge incentive for some but teachers? Why don’t they care about the causes of this? Confused

midgebabe · 05/12/2020 12:07

thanks

midgebabe · 05/12/2020 12:08

I was trying to send flowers , hugs. Always listening her whenever you need to vent

lionheart · 05/12/2020 12:13
Flowers
Al77 · 05/12/2020 12:29

This is such a powerful post OP. The utter stupidity of your daughter's school! It would be absurd if it wasn't so horrific. The whole situation you have been subjected to, is a microcosm of this mental situation unfolding in real time. You have bourn much as a family.