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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I just need a vent

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rogdmum · 05/12/2020 09:37

I just need to vent and I get more characters here than on Twitter. Grin

I am so pleased for Keira. I am so pleased that it appears as though we are finally seeing the start of the end of this shit. It has been a long long time coming- much longer for many than me. I will be forever grateful to people like Stephanie Davies-Arai and Michelle Moore and Dr David Bell and Dr Marcus Evans and Sue Evans and above all Keira Bell (I know I am missing names here) for standing up while they faced endless abuse. I am so pleased that surely we will now start to see a change in not only the healthcare provided to gender distressed children and adolescents, but also in the wider affirmation approach adopted by many schools.

However, I am furious. I am incandescent at what our daughter’s school has put (and continues to put) us through as a family. They have utterly failed her. They have utterly failed my husband, my son and me. They affirmed her behind our backs. They told our (then) 17 year old son who was completely unaware and then had the burden of telling us.

A school should have the parents’ backs in situations as sensitive as this. They should not tell parents they have no say in the matter. They should not mislead parents into thinking they were not affirming while merrily doing so behind their backs. They should not blindly follow the whims of a lobby group, seemingly valuing the prestige of a pretty award over the well being and protection of a child - for these are children. They are not mini adults. They need our protection.

When schools blindly affirm and hide it from parents, they intentionally create division. They intentionally promote parental alienation. They strip us of all of our rights as parents. They assume parental responsibility themselves. However, when it goes wrong (e.g. decline in mental health), the responsibility is dumped back on us. Full responsibility without the ability to actually parent.

I love my daughter. I love her more than I can express and what the school has done is unforgivable. They have effectively locked in a house and we are the only ones trying to leave a window open for her. They have no concept of safe guarding. They have no concept of child protection. I sat in a meeting with the Head and Deputy Head where they seemed utterly baffled by why I was upset with their approach. This has had a great impact on my son as well and they appeared genuinely confused as to why it would (he had once asked for purple stickers for an LGBT event so I suppose they thought, why would he be negatively affected. After all, he asked for stickers!).

And while I am pleased beyond belief that I think there will be changes, I am desperately worried about the impact this will have on my daughter. It is a politically explosive issue, particularly here in Scotland. She has been turned into a little political football by the school and I am worried about the fall out.

This was entirely within their control- I have spent a year sending them information on the wider issue, on TransegenderTrends guide for schools, pointing them in the direction of “gold standard” therapists (even offering to pay for a session so they could hear about best practice). All of this was ignored. This was entirely preventable and yet it happened.

And continues to happen to far too many families like myself. My child and my family are being replicated up and down the country. We all have the same story and while I am so happy I believe change is on its way, I am furious that it has come to this. How did we let this happen?

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NotBadConsidering · 05/12/2020 12:35

100% support you on this. I hope you come through it ok.

fatblackcatspaw · 05/12/2020 12:45

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I just need a vent
Anewchicken · 05/12/2020 13:14

Don’t get mad get even - With the recent rulings , I’m wondering if you have grounds to sue .

risefromyourgrave · 05/12/2020 13:21

It’s disgraceful how the school are jumping all over this, I can almost guarantee it’s so that they can win ‘woke points’ and pat themselves on the back over how open and modern they are. Confused

As you know, my son has an issue with gender dysphoria and I was dreading him to going to university in September as I can’t imagine anyone being remotely GC in universities anymore. Luckily he has deferred for a year due to COVID and I am (very tentatively) hopeful that him having no contact with education establishments is having a positive effect. Time will tell.

Flowers Brew Cake

DisappearingGirl · 05/12/2020 15:07

rogdmum I've just seen this in the Telegraph, but I don't have full access unfortunately ...

www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/education-and-careers/2020/12/04/light-keira-bell-case-schools-need-look-approach-transgender/amp/

Winesalot · 05/12/2020 15:14

Flowers vent away rogdmum.

That it has come to this is shocking indeed.

notyourhandmaid · 05/12/2020 16:31

So, so sorry @rogdmum. Flowers

Active secret-keeping on this issue is disgraceful. (And it's not the same thing as not telling parents if a kid is gay - colluding on a change of name and pronoun etc is very different.)

littlbrowndog · 05/12/2020 16:38

Keeping secrets is against all safeguarding

Alienation of parents is against all safeguarding

Arranging for a sibling to tell parents is very very wrong 😑

So sorry for you rodgmum

It’s all wrong and against all safeguarding

As Lang always said sacred caste and all safeguarding flies out the window

ColourMagic · 05/12/2020 17:40

@rogdmum ...
The Telegraph article 'In the light of the Keira Bell case, schools need to look at their approach to transgender issues' is a useful resource for you. The very best of luck, the school has behaved atrociously.

Full text on this link
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4097812-Telegraph-article-on-the-Kiera-Bell-decision

Lettera · 05/12/2020 17:58

Rogdmum

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Every day I give thanks that my lesbian daughter managed to miss this by about five years.

Love and strength to you and your family.

Soontobe60 · 05/12/2020 18:07

@rogdmum as parents we are all one step away from finding ourselves in your families horrendous situation and I really feel for you. As a teacher in primary, we have to follow safeguarding to the letter - what your school has done flies in the face of safeguarding. I do know that Scotland seems to have a much more woke attitude to supporting children who may be gender dysphoric, and just hope that one day soon the tide will turn so that any child who is struggling with their identity gets appropriate support, NOT a push onto a pathway to life changing drugs and surgery.
I wish you well xx

Canwecancel2020 · 05/12/2020 19:02

Flowers for you and your daughter xx

BlackWaveComing · 05/12/2020 19:54

I'm so sorry you have had to deal with a such an unintelligent and unsafe response from the school, as well as your dds ROGD.

To the poster who mentioned homeschooling - it's not necessarily protective, and h/s kids are also susceptible to social contagions spread online. However, the benefit of homeschooling an ROGD kid is that one less layer of trauma is inflicted on the family.

stumbledin · 05/12/2020 20:34

This is so terrible for you and your family. And seems so unjustified that a school is able to behave in this deceitful way.

Is this in line with the Education Authority or is this their own procedure? Or the school governors?

Just wondered if it is worth raising with them? (Although I am sure you know who you can or cant turn to.)

And I dont suppose there is much point approaching your MP or your MSP? Sad

Are there any legal avenues you can take?

But I suppose so much depends on your relationship with your daughter. I do hope you have your own support network or group of friends to help you.

ArabellaScott · 05/12/2020 20:56
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rogdmum · 05/12/2020 20:59

stumbledin Yes, we still have quite a few options open to us and we’re slowly working our way through them. And fortunately my friends IRL think it’s complete madness what the school has done.

Thanks again to everyone. FWR has been a Godsend over the past year.

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BettyDuKeiraBellisMyShero · 05/12/2020 22:18

You’re a bloody shero too, ROGDmum Flowers

Schools better be on brown trousers time. It’s only a matter of time now until one gets dragged into court.

My DsD does seem to have properly desisted, after a year of utter misery. I firmly believe she was groomed by the achoo way more than she was influenced by peers or the Internet. We’ve been trying to get hold of all DsD’s school and school nurse records. All we get from school is holding messages, saying they acknowledge our requests, so we are pretty sure they are taking legal advice themselves.

If DsD was my bio child I would’ve instructed solicitors already by now. I have to defer to her mam tho, and she is (understandably) focussed purely on DsD’s recovery from all this, and just wants to make a protective bubble and forget all about it.

Delphinium20 · 05/12/2020 22:25

I'm so sorry @rogdmum. I truly am. In my own family, we have a godson whose parents almost lost him...it's still a struggle, but I feel so much for all the families taken over by this ideology. I'm so sorry and hope the best for your daughter.

stumbledin · 05/12/2020 23:02

Is this a ray of light?

The SNP’s woke team have been defeated – here’s what that means
www.thenational.scot/news/18913126.kevin-mckenna-snps-woke-team-defeated---means/

Angryresister · 05/12/2020 23:02

So angry for you and your daughter. I think the ruling on the Tavistock will not have the same legal back up in Scotland but if some of it does not get reversed there too I will be surprised. Good luck with whatever you decide to do and vent away...or rant maybe!

SisterWendyBuckett · 05/12/2020 23:18

For you Rogdmum Thanks

I can't express my horror and despair at what has happened to you and your family. This ideology has swept through so many schools, and corroded the thinking of many in positions of responsibility, with potentially devastating results.

It's abhorrent that stealth and secrecy is being used to sow division and alienation between children and their parents. The movement seems to thrive on alienating young people from their families if they don't comprehensively support and enable.

Schools should be a safe place, where children are supported and nurtured to feel happy and secure in their own bodies and self expression, not encouraged to dissociate and split off from biological reality.

Thankfully Keira's case seems to be opening the way for a wider reaching examination of gender ideology and its consequences.

We can only hope that the tide turns - and quickly.

I really admire your energy and courage in speaking out. I know first hand how terrifying and consuming this all is.

Weirdfan · 05/12/2020 23:30

It was me BlackWaveComing and I meant specifically safe from the dangerous affirmation and secrecy from parents OP and others are experiencing with schools.

RiotAndAlarum · 06/12/2020 19:35

I remember your story. Your metaphor about them locking her in a house is so poignant. I hope she feels the fresh air you're trying to get to her. No child should be held alone like this . They should not have taken these parental decisions for you. X

MsPah · 06/12/2020 20:36

We met at a meeting early in the year and you told me your story. I've never forgotten it; in fact, I recall and think about it very often in relation to developing 'events'. Just wanted to say again how very sorry I am, and that, put in your position, I honestly feel I wouldn't have survived with my sanity intact. I'll hold you in my thoughts and hope to hell the 'stuff going on' you allude to is something that offers a chink of light, an inroad, a way of bringing school management/Ed Dept/Authority to book for this outrageous betrayal. Respect, for your fortitude, and all power to your arm.

GrandmaMazur · 07/12/2020 09:04

I feel your rage and you have my every sympathy. The school should be a safe place for your child, not acting behind your back to make monumental decisions about your DD’s life and pitting you against her. How on earth has it come to this?

I hope you are able to help your DD to come out the other end of this in the best way possible and I hope to God the schools in Scotland take note of Keira’s case and start behaving responsibly.

I have a gender non-conforming son and your story terrifies me. I just hope that he is able to grow up and work things out for himself without teachers - or anyone else - deciding his future for him.

I’d like to thank you from the bottom of my heart for raising awareness so that parents like me are better informed to help protect our children Flowers