Unbelievable projection from Jane Fae on puberty blockers

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With breathtaking chutzpah, Fae claims in an article in the Independent that the "the consequences could be devastating" for those children no longer allowed easy access to puberty blockers.

Fae worries that there has been no no "risk assessment for those affected" (unlike all the non-existent risk-assessments for putting the poor kids on puberty blockers in the first place).

"Whatever happened to “first, do no harm”?" Fae asks, in a really outrageous piece of DARVO.

"In the case of puberty blockers and Hormone replacement Therapy (HRT), the adverse physical and psychological effects are equally well-documented." Fae says. But no, this is not Fae suddenly accepting reality. It continues: "We know, for instance, that women who suddenly have HRT withdrawn may become suicidal." So it is withdrawal that Fae objects to, not the filling of innocent children with dangerous and untested medication in the first place. The article continues with more unproven, dangerous assertions that children are being driven to suicide as a result of not being able to get hold of blockers.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/transgender-court-ruling-puberty-blockers-b1766456.html

You'd think the Independent, which reports all of this uncritically, must have no idea that biological sex is an indelible characteristic or that men's treatment of women underlies many young girls' unhappiness with their birth sex. And yet, on the same day, they publish this:

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/baby-making-factory-nigeria-ogun-b1766419.html

Unfuckingbelievable.

And this person's view is valid because....?

They're seen. 👁

Anyway, stock markets show support for lupron now isn't especially huge:

I think it’s very much in the interests of some groups for children to be distressed about the removal of puberty blockers.

A group who have spent years lobbying for children to be on blockers really doesn’t want anyone to come to the conclusion that blockers were never the right treatment in the first place.

That A Level thing is absolutely appalling. That poor kid.

One hopes that now not accepting new referrals, GIDS could supply some proper counselling and that that counselling would be supervised by psychologists outside that service.
Some parents will not doubt be mightily relieved and looking for support as they help their children into acceptance that there is no magic wand. Others will be being stirred up by these people and organisations doubling down

I know, the timing is so narcissistic.

Does remind me of this painful blog:

childrenoftransitioners.org/

Yes from what I remember the daughter failed her exams, then didn't gat the grades she needed for the uni course she wanted to go to and ended up on a completely different path than she had planned, and Fae though this was a positive thing!

That is who Fae is, that is what they are.

We keep being told that kids have very thorough and vigourous counselling before being prescribed blockers and that blocers are almost impossible to access. Is that another lie? Do they care about the long term welfare of these kids at all?

This is pertinent tweet.

In a similar vein, Norman Spack, one of the founding fathers of this pathway of medical harm, describes how he was “salivating” at the prospect of stopping puberty in children 🚩 🚩.

Dr. Spack recalled being at a meeting in Europe about 15 years ago, when he learned that the Dutch were using puberty blockers in transgender early adolescents.

“I was salivating,” he recalled. “I said we had to do this.”

www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/nyregion/transgender-minors-gender-reassignment-surgery.html?module=ArrowsNav&contentCollection=N.Y.%20%2F%20Region&action=keypress&region=FixedLeft&pgtype=article

Ugh I don’t want to give it clicks.

Adults who don’t support consent, safeguarding, evidence based medicine for vulnerable kids (especially after the issues have been dispassionately examined by three judges in court) are not people that anyone else needs to take any lectures from.

No safeguarding needed, just being a trans child means you're so much more mature and exempt from such folly.

twitter.com/christineburns/status/1334808852299206656

[quote NonHypotheticalLurkingParent]No safeguarding needed, just being a trans child means you're so much more mature and exempt from such folly.

twitter.com/christineburns/status/1334808852299206656[/quote]
Disgusting. Complete lack of understanding of how different children are, and safeguarding as you said.

I can't read that because Christine Burns MBE has blocked me on Twitter. I had the temerity to disagree about something once and we all know women who express opinions should be cast out.

Salivating isa deeply disturbing word to use when talking about medicalising children. It casts Spack in an odd light. Like a mad scientist

I'm not giving it clicks, either.

But arguing for puberty blockers in kids, while spending your adult life campaigning to legalise extreme pornography and lowering the age of the participants?

I mean, apart from anything else, what on earth has the medication of children got to do with Jane Fae?

One good thing that this ruling has achieved is it has lifted the lid on a lot of stuff. As the arguments are exposed to sunlight, they go up in a puff of smoke.

As a ADULT WOMAN on HRT, my biggest concern has been the shortages of that drug which have meant it's often been hard to get hold of. And yet TRAs haven't spent any time lobbying for this situation to be resolved. Presumably because grey hair, wrinkles, hot flushes and the invisibility cloak of age aren't, well, glamorous enough.

What happened to "First do no harm,"? The Bell & Mrs A judgement happened, that's what!

That CB thread rings alarm bells, you could make that argument in defence of all sorts of things that would be terrible for children. It has been used to do just that.

Some parents will not doubt be mightily relieved and looking for support as they help their children into acceptance that there is no magic wand.

Ok. But remember about 20% probably won’t accept their natal sex. That’s not insignificant. Don’t completely raise false hope amongst these families we need to stay balanced.

Every person and case is different. Parents have to prepare themselves for any eventuality. We don’t know for sure the final trajectories for everyone and some people still need medical transition eventually. Hopefully not the majority.

I will only ever be convinced that you need to medically transition a child if an actual physical condition is identified.

Tackling the underlying reasons why someone wants to opt out of their sex is the issue. Complete failure to do that, might be a premise for medical transition. But until every other avenue is explored, in my opinion, it shouldn't happen.

It's not a cure for anything.

Trans ideology should certainly not be taught in schools and teenage peer pressure needs to be removed online.

Tackling the underlying reasons why someone wants to opt out of their sex is the issue. Complete failure to do that, might be a premise for medical transition. But until every other avenue is explored, in my opinion, it shouldn't happen.

But you’re completely overlooking the possibility that there are biological aspects influencing gender dysphoria. You might not accept that prenatal hormones can influence brain development. But brain tissue is sensitive to sex hormones, including (particularly?) during development. It is possible that can affect psychosexual development.

We might never know 100% for sure because you can’t really look inside someone’s brain and see identity and sexuality. It might be biological/ physical combined with cultural. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

But yes agree every other avenue should be explored first.

Pretty sure the menopause is 100% biological and despite my love of action movies, not wearing makeup and using power tools, I don't seem to have avoided it.

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Tackling the underlying reasons why someone wants to opt out of their sex is the issue. Complete failure to do that, might be a premise for medical transition. But until every other avenue is explored, in my opinion, it shouldn't happen.

But you’re completely overlooking the possibility that there are biological aspects influencing gender dysphoria. You might not accept that prenatal hormones can influence brain development. But brain tissue is sensitive to sex hormones, including (particularly?) during development. It is possible that can affect psychosexual development.

We might never know 100% for sure because you can’t really look inside someone’s brain and see identity and sexuality. It might be biological/ physical combined with cultural. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Have a look at the diagnostic criteria for diagnosis of gender dysphoria in children from the DSM 5.

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The DSM-5 defines gender dysphoria in children as a marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender, lasting at least 6 months, as manifested by at least six of the following (one of which must be the first criterion):

• A strong desire to be of the other gender or an insistence that one is the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
• In boys (assigned gender), a strong preference for cross-dressing or simulating female attire; or in girls (assigned gender), a strong preference for wearing only typical masculine clothing and a strong resistance to the wearing of typical feminine clothing
• A strong preference for cross-gender roles in make-believe play or fantasy play
• A strong preference for the toys, games or activities stereotypically used or engaged in by the other gender
• A strong preference for playmates of the other gender
• In boys (assigned gender), a strong rejection of typically masculine toys, games, and activities and a strong avoidance of rough-and-tumble play; or in girls (assigned gender), a strong rejection of typically feminine toys, games, and activities
• A strong dislike of one’s sexual anatomy
• A strong desire for the physical sex characteristics that match one’s experienced gender

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So it's based mainly on stereotypes apart from the first point and the last two.

The first point about desire to be or insistence that a child is the other sex - what is this likely to be based on in a child's mind? Stereotypes again, surely.

And the last two - why would a child hate their 'sexual anatomy'? Investigating whether they had experienced trauma or abuse should be first on the list here.

We need something better than stereotypes as a basis for a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria in children. And we also need a good reason for a physical intervention for a psychological condition, especially when that physical intervention will affect that child for the rest of their life.