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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

BBC Article- ‘Involve women in decision making’

34 replies

AppleKatie · 27/11/2020 18:13

They highlight the particular importance of involving women in the decision-making.

The document says "messaging should be supportive of women adapting traditions and encouraging those around them to share the burden and to be supportive of any alterations to adapt for Covid-19 restrictions".

WTF is it just me? Have I gone mad? Slipped into a parallel universe?

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HecatesCats · 27/11/2020 18:15

Can you link to the article OP?

HecatesCats · 27/11/2020 18:17

Is it this one? www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55107473

Bloody hell. We're like another species aren't we.

TheBitterBoy · 27/11/2020 18:19

Bloody hell - this is a government report? I'm speechless.

AppleKatie · 27/11/2020 18:20

Yes that’s the one.

‘Involve the little woman in the decision and then leave it up to her to police everyone’s behaviour’

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BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 27/11/2020 18:21

They highlight the particular importance of involving women in the decision-making

blimey. it's good that the BBC is here to let our owners know to be kind to us

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 27/11/2020 18:23

Thanks, SAGE! It's great to know government scientists have noticed how much us little ladies do to make Christmas happen.

I can only assume this is incredibly clumsy wording (haven't read the actual report, just the BBC report) for:

We have to recognise the reality that in many families women take on a disproportionate share of the work of preparing for Christmas and looking after family on the day. If we want our message to get across, therefore, we need to target women.

HecatesCats · 27/11/2020 18:23

And in the meantime don't do anything to support women with the burgeoning domestic care burden.

xxyzz · 27/11/2020 18:27

This doesn't make sense.

Who do they think is making decisions about Christmas? They think that normally (unless specifically allowed to be included by the government) women play no part in these decisions? Confused

What weird lives do these (clearly all) men from Sage live?

Why do they imagine that the decisions are all taken by men but the burden belongs entirely to women? Confused

WTF???!

ferretface · 27/11/2020 18:28

I saw that and posted it in another thread - can't find the full report it's from so wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt in case it's the way the article is written...but the excerpt in isolation gave me the rage!!

NewLockdownNewMe · 27/11/2020 18:30

Here’s the full quote from the actual sage paper:

Gender equality. The impact of the pandemic has been considered gender regressive as women have experienced increased unpaid care responsibilities due to the heightened need to care for elderly family members and childcare due to school and nursery closures16. It is therefore especially important to involve women in decision making about creating safer household environments, and to promote gender equity in communications and policies relating to household social interactions.

NewLockdownNewMe · 27/11/2020 18:32

I think what they’re actually trying to say is: men, take some responsibility. But, they’ve tried to be supportive and ended up saying: “this is impacting women negatively: women, sort it out!”

HecatesCats · 27/11/2020 18:32

Yes! And it's then been reported badly

AppleKatie · 27/11/2020 18:39

The actual quote has calmed me down a little (thanks). Now I’m just raging at the BBC. I mean they have editors still checking copy don’t they??

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Purpler5 · 27/11/2020 18:45

Thank goodness it’s not just me who thought I was seeing things. I couldn’t work out this crazy reporting from the BBC at all Confused

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 27/11/2020 18:52

My godmothers, that quote is very different from the article. The BBC is 50 shades of fucked up these days, isn't it?

Al1langdownthecleghole · 27/11/2020 19:23

Fabulous. Please help the women.

No. Please take responsibility yourselves.

ChattyLion · 27/11/2020 20:03

🤯 I came on here to see if there was a thread because I just read that and couldn’t fucking believe it

AppleKatie · 27/11/2020 20:22

🤦‍♀️It’s so depressing isn’t it.

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Cozytoesandtoast00 · 27/11/2020 20:27

I was shocked when I read this too. My god.

AppleKatie · 27/11/2020 21:23

And yet here I am, still furious about it engaged in two Whatsapp conversations with two female relatives about Christmas bubbles. Hmm

FML

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HecatesCats · 27/11/2020 21:38

WinkHmmConfused

midgebabe · 27/11/2020 21:46

Didn't the preceding sentance say something along the lines of women bear a disproportionate amount of the mental load of organising Christmas , in light of which saying they need to be involved and supported actually makes sense

Yes it would be nice if it wasn't women's work, but since it is and we are dealing with a crisis, let's get people through it first, whilst recognising at the same time it is nit a sex neutral issue

midgebabe · 27/11/2020 21:47

Damn, sorry , ignore previous, poor loading of the page made me think it hadn't been picked up already

Anonandonandonandon · 27/11/2020 22:42

The above quoted by a PP is not the actual quote in question. It’s actually exactly as quoted by the BBC and is in this document: assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/939147/S0849_SPI-B_Executive_Summary_-_Insights_on_Celebrations_and_Observances_during_COVID-19.pdf

Bottom of page 2.

Awful!

Babytalkobsession · 27/11/2020 22:48

Came here to see if anyone else had noticed. Wtf?!

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