Keira Bell's JR - judgement on December 1st.

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Pass it on.

That is all.

Isn’t that sooner that we thought? Go Keira!

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Is earlier than we thought a good thing?

Oh gosh... That was quick. Fingers and toes crossed. 😰

When was it expected, if this is early?

Thank you OP so only a few more days.

Keeping everything crossed!

Eeeek!

Whatever the judgment, Keira is a shero for doing everything in her power to bring more sunlight to the issue and to try and prevent other adolescent girls and young women from stepping onto a pathway that leads to irreversible damage.

Thank you OP for letting us know.

Thanks for letting us know.

And yes, whatever happens, nothing can take away how incredible keira is. As the mother of 2 dds, I cant thank everyone involved enough.

That was very fast. Thoughts are with you, Keira.

Gosh. Heart in mouth.

Am sure it was about 6 weeks from the hearing, so I think it's about right. Was thinking about this yesterday.

Isn't the deadline for the Tavistock appeal tomorrow. Anyone have an update?

The Court of Appeal deadline? Yes it is tomorrow I believe.

Would they really want to appeal?

Surely it would require evidence that PBs are efficatious at treating GD enough to warrant the risks? At the moment we only have evidence of short term effectiveness (not efficacy and not long term) and the evidence on risk is poor.

That's not the kind of thing you can magic up overnight. It would seem mad to squander money on a quixotic appeal when the review conclusions can be amended if evidence appears in future.

There must be huge pressure on them to appeal, but surely it could do them even more damage?

It depends on whether they want to try to win or would prefer to lose but be seen to have fought hard. I suspect that at least some in the gender clinics would see the latter as getting themselves out of an impossible corner.

I am looking forward to seeing the appeal actually. Because if the standard of the research that they published directly after the court sessions closed is the best they have, they still have nothing. And the WPATH have done some jiggery wottery in renaming their 'standard' as 'guidelines'. Somewhat of a demotion....

I'd love to see some new data that can be robustly reviewed and replicated.

I'd rather they spent more money actually researching, collecting decent data, tracking outcomes, and providing decent mental health care to children, rather than waste thousands trying to reverse a judgement that told them they're experimenting on children and taking consent from them when it wasn't at all appropriate. But they seem rather arrogant, so I expect they'll go with the latter.

I would be great to hear that each and every child or teen on their list (including waiting list) got the benefit of that wonderful crowdfunder to have some intense mental health care (rather than one zoom session with some discredited clinic). Wouldn't all that money go a way to subsidise those who cannot afford private mental health care of the unbiased kind?

It's an application for leave to appeal. The Court of Appeal will give a decision on that tomorrow.

Correction: Just looked at the Court Order made on 1 December and tomorrow at 4pm is the deadline for them to put in their application for leave to appeal. It doesn't say the Court will give a decision on the application tomorrow.

Looks like they have applied for leave to appeal, according to the BBC article that is being discussed on another thread:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-55369784