Keira Bell's JR - judgement on December 1st.

[OhHolyJesus]

Pass it on.

That is all.

[ConservativesForWomen]

Or have they?

[MichelleofzeResistance]

Was just coming to check - hoping there is an appeal as this is an important enough issue to make it very well worth toothcombing all the way through again to be certain.

Am I getting this right, that the application hasn't yet been put in?

[nevertrustaherdofcows]

I imagine the Beeb has had a tip-off

[donquixotedelamancha]

I imagine the Beeb has had a tip-off

The other possibility is that Ben Hunte just makes things up.

[TheGreatWave]

I would very much welcome an appeal, and am interested in what evidence the Tavistock have that they didn't present for the original hearing, especially as it seems to just dig themselves into a hole.

[yourhairiswinterfire]

@TheGreatWave

I would very much welcome an appeal, and am interested in what evidence the Tavistock have that they didn't present for the original hearing, especially as it seems to just dig themselves into a hole.

Do they consider new evidence at appeals?

My understanding was that the Tavistock will have to argue points where they think the judges were incorrect in their judgement, and it won't be a second chance to present facts they couldn't be arsed to provide the first time.

[Floisme]

That's my understanding too.

[Floisme]

But I can imagine any application is likely to go in at the 11th hour, so still plenty of time before 4pm, if that's the deadline.

[rogdmum]

Appeal update here (yes, they have applied for permission to appeal)

tavistockandportman.nhs.uk/about-us/news/stories/update-gids-judicial-review-and-timetable-clinical-reviews-22-december-2020/

[nevertrustaherdofcows]

I imagine Keira and Co will want to put in a response. So, more digging?

[nevertrustaherdofcows]

Or do they not get to do that at this stage?

[highame]

They need to get the permission to appeal. That doesn't mean it will be granted

[purpleanorak]

The application for permission to appeal will almost certainly be on points of law (probably the grounds on which they sought permission to appeal previously). It’s very rare to obtain permission to adduce new evidence (and permission to do so won’t be granted unless it is somehow new evidence that couldn’t have been available at the first stage).

Keira’s team can put in a statement in response on why permission to appeal should be refused but won’t normally be allowed their costs of doing so.

Determination of permission to appeal applications on paper can take anywhere between a month and several months, although there might be grounds for this to be expedited given the arguable risk of harm to children (either way). I wouldn’t expect a decision on whether they have permission until around the end of January at the earliest, but I have known permission to be granted sooner.

If they obtain permission, a hearing of the appeal will be listed. If it’s expedited, this could take place within a few months. In the normal course, it could take a year or more.

[Mumsnut]

Thanks Purple, that is helpful.

Plenty of time for gardening then