New Hampshire teen one of youngest to undergo gender reassignment surgery

[HecatesCats]

East Coast America truly is a brave new world...

cbs6albany.com/news/nation-world/new-hampshire-teen-one-of-the-youngest-to-have-gender-reassignment-surgery

That poor kid.

@nauticant

They have a twitter account which links to their Only Fans account including 18+ content.

Fucking hell, this is such a depressing read.

Does this person have parents?

DS used to go to school with a boy who would wear make up and his hair long, not much was made of it as far as I'm aware. When he was at college he worked in a bar and the person had now socially transitioned, was taking hormones, had superficial feminisation procedures and used a female name. DS got on well with his friend but as they got to know each other he was at first bemused and then icreasing horrified at how this person was being so exploited sexually. They were both teenagers going through the usual experimetation stage but this person's experiences were mainly transactional and mainly with older men acting out a fetish. It was a really odd situation.

I do worry that this is a danger for lots of people who transition at such a very young age.

this thread gets more and more concerning. bloody hell. those poor children.

All a journalist has to do is ask "what research are you basing that suicide claim on?" That's all. "Where is the evidence that this is true?"

If the prevalence of trans identity has been static through time (and across borders), that means that suicide would have been a leading cause of death in young people for centuries in many cultures.
Where are those stats coming from?

We do know of a couple. One a teenager who bought hormones on line.

Strangely it was all down to a lack of treatment/waiting times etc as opposed to testosterone being given to a patient who already suffers from depression...

And an adult who had the surgery but was unprepared for the fact that their neo vagina would forever smell like colon.

I think Sweden may have been able to publish statistics that show that the risk of suicide and self harm is actually greater post treatment..

[quote SebastianTheCrab]Oh Dr Ting! One of the two surgeons who operated on 17 year old Jazz Jennings - and argued in the operating room with the other surgeon about what they are cutting. Fucking cowboys.

The clip of them arguing is from Jazz's third surgery - they have since had a fourth surgery, because their genitalia has been so utterly fucked up.

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Interesting that comments have been disabled for that video. Probably less 'brave and stunning' remarks and more 'What the fuck!'

That video is horrifying. What are they doing? It feels like the surgeon is playing up to the cameras as much as the dysfunctional family are. Why are they putting their child through all of this?

Because once you start and your whole life becomes about something how do you stop?

You have to follow it through or admit you were wrong about the whole thing.

I have also seen several clips where attention has then shifted to helping fund raise and support others going through the same things, not sure it ever really "ends"

@Whatwouldscullydo

Because once you start and your whole life becomes about something how do you stop?

You have to follow it through or admit you were wrong about the whole thing.

I have also seen several clips where attention has then shifted to helping fund raise and support others going through the same things, not sure it ever really "ends"

This is not unique to transitioning though. People affected by something, start raising awareness, campaigning, end up working within a relevant sector or volunteering and then their whole life is built around whatever the initial impetus was.

Ive wondered before about whether that trajectory is actually good for people or keeps them stuck in a psychological state that should not be the end stage of processing the initial event.

The article states that the surgeon created 'a female anatomy that is fully functional'.

That definition, to me, would need to include a self-cleaning vagina, a functioning clitoris, sensitive labia, a uterus with cervix, ovaries and fallopian tubes.

I don't think functional means what the article writer thinks it means.

I came on to make exactly the same point avout fully functionl
From a heterosexual man's perspective
Although I'm so impressed they've managed to make it so a biological male can get pregnant
Fuck this absolute shit

No I know its not unique to transitioning, its human nature, like how people become institutionalised.

Which is why I feel setting them onto this path to begin with rather than trying to prevent it from happening is dangerous.

Ones identity should not be wrapped up in one thing this way, and is something that is usually advised against and other outlets and broadening interests etc is encouraged.

Hard to do that though when identity is the end goal, proof amongst all proof etc

Sorry not explaining myself very well...

I guess its a bit like picking a career... not only would you need a plan B, its all very well putting all your time and energy into achieving that, but it should never be at the expense of everything else , friends, family, hobbies etc amd In fact might actually count against you in the end..

That video clip is so disturbing. The parents seem like head-cases - what chance does that child have? Why would you want to film things like that? It's depressing

Whatwouldscullydo - yes it’s such a unhealthy pathway. Particularly when those who desist from transgenderism seem to be treated like those who leave Scientology. Either the whole thing needs to change to be more flexible to allow sensible approach and discussion or the stage of putting a foot on the path should have really strong gate keeping.

Acceptance without exception = acceptance with the exception of those who desist.

I've said before (I namechanged recently) that it seems a bit like the Sunk Costs Fallacy in business. Once a person has spent time, money and in some cases their health and wellbeing going down a particular path, they are more likely to continue on that path even if they come to realise that it is no longer right for them.

It is why I feel that even social transitioning can fix children onto a path that takes them down a medical route. How difficult it must be to U turn from 'I'm definitely the opposite sex, I was born in the wrong body' to 'I now realise I just needed time to come to terms with the way puberty changed my body/the way I feel about myself and how I fit in the world'. Especially if everyone has told you how stunning and brave you and your family are for being/ allowing you to be your authentic self etc.

(I know that 'wrong body' is no longer used, but it was useful to make this point!)

Full set with uterus,ovaries, female pelvic structure, that menstruates and can gestate and birth a baby through a muscular birth canal?

There is currently a big push in 'trans medicine' for procedures that will give a more functional female physiology.

This was a presentation at the recent WPATH conference.

There have already been a handful of xx women who have had uterine transplants and as twaw it is discriminatory if they are refused the procedure as they too suffer from AUFI (absolute uterine factor infertility)

If you stop to think about people whose lives have zoomed in to focus on a single, overriding issue, look at the politicians/activists for the Leave campaign. What happens to them after they win the referendum? And what is NF's goal in life now?

It's hard to impossible to turn back from such a cause or carry on after achieving it because it can totally fill your life.

That's definitely why schools should stay out of it really, instead their "training" means they feel they can do it all behind parents' back.

I mean how do you change your mind when 1499 other people are involved in it,

The being on onlyfans thing.

I (from a UK perspective) can’t get my head around the overlap between transgender and sex work. I can see that in other countries there are employment issues, cost of healthcare issues but it still doesn’t explain someone like the one in the article who obviously has financial support and access to healthcare. The only reason I can come up with is about external validation of their ability to be seen as sexually desirable “woman”. Feminists try to teach girls and women that your sexually desirable ranking is not a measure of your worth. A great deal of MTF dialogue seems to fixate on where someone sits on the would attractive straight men want to shag me scale. I suppose it could be perceived that there is a definitive tick in that box if men pay to see flesh or access it.

It’s all so deeply unhealthy and from a male perspective.

It's like trans narrative bingo.

It's fascinating how they will repeat the same justifications, word for word, when we all know that social contagion has no part in the choice to transition so young.

As well as the lack of acknowledgment in articles like this of the incontrovertible harm caused by the pathway, it’s always worth noting that threads about this sort of article never seem to attract our friendly contributing TRAs to tell us how good it is. And there’s never any screenshots of these sorts of threads posted on Twitter about how horrible we all are not wanting kids to have such life-destroying treatments.

It’s almost as if there’s no justification...

@NotBadConsidering

As well as the lack of acknowledgment in articles like this of the incontrovertible harm caused by the pathway, it’s always worth noting that threads about this sort of article never seem to attract our friendly contributing TRAs to tell us how good it is. And there’s never any screenshots of these sorts of threads posted on Twitter about how horrible we all are not wanting kids to have such life-destroying treatments.

It’s almost as if there’s no justification...

In my experience of this board, the contributing TRAs and their allies would like to keep the focus solely on toilets. There seems to be little wish to engage in other, perhaps more difficult topics.

On the topic at hand, the idea that a 'neo' vagina can be considered any way 'fully functional' is abhorrent. In addition to what everyone else has already said, real vaginas do not need daily dilation and are not subject to the truly awful side effects that some 'neo vaginas' are (eg colon leakage into the 'neo vagina').

I watched a video of Blaire White interviewing Emily. Emily comes across as a perfectly nice person, as does Blaire. However, I did find it uncomfortable to watch two male-bodied people essentially discussing what it is like to 'be' a woman.

In my experience of this board, the contributing TRAs and their allies would like to keep the focus solely on toilets.

And 'alignment' with the far right in the US. I.E. the idea that one group thinks x is a wrong for y reason that they're the same as another group that thinks x is wrong for z reason. Absolutely no nuance whatsoever, just mud slinging to denounce wrong think and whip up hysteria. I notice certain well known leftists are now chucking 'alignment' with Viktor Orban's Hungary into the mix. Such is the bluntness of their approach. Seems to have worked with Amnesty in Ireland though, the head of which proving yesterday that he's done zero due diligence on false and libellous claims that LGB Alliance are a 'far right' organisation.

I think this has already been posted but just as a refresher, Jess Ting commissioned a documentary to show how much of a saint he is through his pioneering work: