Conservative Asian Female Home Secretary accused of bullying

[MsSafina]

If this were a BAME female Labour Minister, would the reaction be different? Just goes to show, it's nothing to do with gender or race but all about politics.

"People" don't tell her she can't be strict on immigration. She's deeply inhumane all on her own.

Rees-Mogg is constantly punching down, yet people find him funny and eccentric

Blimey, speak for yourself. I find Rees-Mogg's behaviour appalling, and say so loud and often.

But if you find him funny and eccentric, maybe you find Patel's behaviour OK too.

I haven't followed the bullying case in detail, but just on sheer competence and willingness to break the rules, I have no idea how Patel still has a job.

But then that's true of Grayling, Damian Green (mercifully now forced to resign but I doubt we've seen the last), and plenty more of recent Tory Cabinets.

Sunak is currently in my good books for moderate competence, but we'll see how long he stays there.

Mind you, as CaraDuneRedux says, for Johnson, honesty and incompetence in his cabinet aren't a bug, they're a feature.

(Again pace Sunak. But I dare say he'll break my heart too eventually.)

@PerkingFaintly

Rees-Mogg is constantly punching down, yet people find him funny and eccentric

Blimey, speak for yourself. I find Rees-Mogg's behaviour appalling, and say so loud and often.

But if you find him funny and eccentric, maybe you find Patel's behaviour OK too.

I personally don't find Rees-Mogg funny or eccentric. I think he's a nasty snobby bully.

However, there's no denying that many people do find him to be good entertainment. Look at how The Sun/ Daily Mail portrays him. Search for his name on Twitter and you'll see what I mean.

Oh, that I don't doubt at all.

Are these the same people who are slagging off Patel for bullying? I haven't checked the DMail, but if you read it, how are they treating Patel?

(I appreciate the DM could not, by the wildest stretch of the imagination, be described as "lefty".)

Still. It's amazing that people are still prepared to vote for a Party (Labour) which has been found officially guilty of racism. We are yet to see such a devastating report about the Tory Party in spite of the accusations.

I prefer if people are judged by their record in office and not whether they're BAME or female.
That is literally what has happened. You're the one avocating for her to be judged on the basis of her sex and race, rather than her actual behaviour and record. Pretty racist if you ask me.

I happen to think Dianne Abbott is as thick, offensive and lazy as PP but Dianne always pulls the race card while Patel doesn't.
Thanks for confirming that you're a massive racist, OP!

I don't think it is useful to suggest it is witch hunt because she is a BAME woman. Are you suggesting her behaviour should be excused?!

No her behaviour should not be excused. I am suggesting equally bad behaviour from white male colleagues should not be excused either.

...always pulls the race card

You actually wrote that OP? Jeez. That's all I need to see to grasp where you're coming from. 🙄

Thing is, there is a known and very serious problem of bullying in the Tory party, around young activists.

I knew about the suicide of Elliott Johnson, who specifically named Mark Clarke, but looking this up to give you the reference, I've discovered to my horror that there's another young person who killed herself much more recently, alleging bullying and also sexual assualts at party conference.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/17/inquiry-into-tory-bullying-scandal-finds-13-alleged-victims-of-mark-clarke

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jade-smith-death-bullying-allegations-conservatives-tory-party-mighty-redcar-a9135201.html

If Patel is being criticised in the media for bullying but these other problems get less airtime, then the OP may have a point about selective criticism.

Then again, a point could be made in the opposite direction that maybe the tone comes from the top.

Don't know.

@MsSafina

Still. It's amazing that people are still prepared to vote for a Party (Labour) which has been found officially guilty of racism. We are yet to see such a devastating report about the Tory Party in spite of the accusations.

Your politics are showing. The report was an independent report by someone appointed to that role by the Tory Party. You genuinely think that the Tory Party isn't racist? What about "letterboxes"? But racism isn't the issue here. Priti Patel is a bully, a deeply unpleasant person to work for who has driven people out of their employment. Anyone who does that deserves to be sacked, regardless of race or gender. And if other people have "got away with it" that is no reason for anyone to get away with it now.

You purport to value your British passport. But isn't it supposed to stand for something? Don't we purport to have "British values". Aren't our politicians - whoever they are - supposed to demonstrate those values? And if they don't, how the hell do we tell children that such behaviour is wrong and unacceptable?

Or is that too middle class leftie for you?

Your politics are showing. Hmm. I attended the Labour Party Conference last year. It was wall to wall Palestinian scarves, badges and flags. I concluded that Jewish people would feel deeply threatened by this environment and the report into anti Jewish racism concludes the same. I am no longer a member of the Labour Party. I actually think the Tories are colour blind compared to Labour. They would elect Rishi or a woman if they thought their aims would be achieved.

We are yet to see such a devastating report about the Tory Party in spite of the accusations

How is the promised inquiry into racism going that was talked about at the leadership election?

She's a vile person but there's no denying it's easier to be vile male MP and go unnoticed than it is to be a vile female MP.

Hasn’t baroness warsi repeatedly called out her fellow Conservative party members for failing to conduct a full enquiry into islamophobia in the Tory party?

Patel is an appalling bully but that suits Johnson. He wants to be the nice guy whilst employing other ppl to do the bullying. He’s weak as water.

www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50834287

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/27/sayeeda-warsi-tory-islamophobia-muslim-prejudice-investigation

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/baroness-warsi-tory-islamophobia-review-a4316556.html

Baroness Warsi is a Tory I have a lot of time for. In general, not particularly related to the above.

So why is she still a Tory? Should have resigned or crossed the floor. In a recent appearance on HIGNFY, when the subject of Rishi Hedge Fund came up she said: Every Asian parent will say I want you to be just like Rishi. As an immigrant, I know exactly where she's coming from and my parents would have said the same.

Wha...? Is Warsi not allowed to be a Tory? According to you?

Does Rees Mogg shout and swear at civil servants? He's a creep and I've worked for lots of creeps but politeness goes a long way .

She's still a Tory. In spite of her allegations. If she finds it unpalatable she should leave and sit as an independent. I gather she likes hedge fund Rishi.

@MsSafina

Your politics are showing. Hmm. I attended the Labour Party Conference last year. It was wall to wall Palestinian scarves, badges and flags. I concluded that Jewish people would feel deeply threatened by this environment and the report into anti Jewish racism concludes the same. I am no longer a member of the Labour Party. I actually think the Tories are colour blind compared to Labour. They would elect Rishi or a woman if they thought their aims would be achieved.

Uh huh. As I said, your politics are showing. Your eyesight is a bit off too. Anti- semitic behaviour is also wrong. But support for Palestine is not the same thing as anti-semitism. Bullying is wrong whether done by Priti Patel or the state of Israel. Or by Britain. But nice deflection. I ask again, what values does that British passport you purport to esteem represent? When your children come home from school saying they've been bullied, will you be inquiring into the skin colour and gender of the bully before deciding whether it matters or not? Will it be OK if they have the right passport? If one of my staff comes to me too complain about bullying, should I ignore it if the bully is female and/ or BAME? Is there some future balance point when enough black women have bullied someone so we can start paying attention to bullying since it's no longer white men in positions where they can bully?

And BTW, I'm certainly not defending the Labour Party, because I'm not a member. But I happen to think that bullying is wrong. Full stop. And that as a society, whether or not we happen to hold a British passport, we should never firm a blind eye to bullying.

Patel is an example of Boris wanting to modernise the Tory party with BAME representatives. The fact that they should be incompetent may be lost on the professional race baiters who occupy actual jobs.

@MsSafina

I think she'd get a softer ride from the left leaning press were she Labour and accused of bullying. I prefer if people are judged by their record in office and not whether they're BAME or female.

Diane Abbott would disagree.... what left leaning press? Express, Times, Telegraph, Sun, Star, Mail ? or the Mirror.

Incompetence is incompetence regardless of sex or race, she was sacked for having secret meetings with Israel's Govt & now found to have bullied staff and hence broken the ministerial code.

I don't know whether she should be sacked or not but perhaps undertake suitable training and full and frank apology to those she bullied?

Perhaps you should let the Baroness know that, in your opinion, she's not living up to your requirements of her as Tory.

Although, you know, good luck with that. Let me know when you fancy trying it, and I'll be along afterwards to tidy the remains of you into a paper bag...