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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Planned Parenthood jumps the shark

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HecatesCats · 20/11/2020 14:07

Planned Parenthood have posted:

Part of observing #TransAwarnessWeek is acknowledging that the use of woman-centric language in reproductive & abortion advocacy is erasure of trans health care.

^Not all women can get pregnant, and women aren't the only people who get pregnant.

Not all women menstruate, and women aren't the only people who menstruate.

Cisgender women aren't the only people who get abortions.^

twitter.com/ppadvocacyma/status/1329482401781833732?s=21

I do hope someone asks what proportion of their national audience for these services is trans, what proportion don't have English as a first language and if neurodiversity plays any part in their thinking. For the sake of inclusivity. How many women are they in fact excluding with this shift in language?

Americans like to ask why the UK is a hotbed of GC feminism. But why are Americans so intent on robbing women of their rights? The right to name themselves, to single sex spaces, to single sex sports and so on. What went wrong over there?

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MissMarplesGlove · 20/11/2020 16:33

We could justreverse this:

Part of observing #womenashumanbeings is acknowledging that the non-use of woman-centric language in reproductive & abortion advocacy is erasure of women's health care

Kit19 · 20/11/2020 16:40

Sorry Willis you’re quite right! What was I thinking?? 😆 I forgot to centre men in my feminism there

Thank you 😊

HecatesCats · 20/11/2020 16:51

@MissMarplesGlove

We could justreverse this:

Part of observing #womenashumanbeings is acknowledging that the non-use of woman-centric language in reproductive & abortion advocacy is erasure of women's health care

I endorse this message
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OldCrone · 20/11/2020 16:54

And note too the statement, so often now brazenly stated, that woman-centric anything is trans-erasing.

So they are stating that women's rights are transphobic.

So will all those people who have been saying that there is no conflict between trans rights and women's rights now admit that they were wrong?

BraveBananaBadge · 20/11/2020 17:52

A follow on tweet in that thread. My jaw is on the floor. Anyone objecting is going piled on by TRAs. Absolutely sickening.

Planned Parenthood jumps the shark
Impatiens · 20/11/2020 18:00

So they are stating that women's rights are transphobic

Yes that's it. Make it impossible for Women to talk about anything that concerns them without being denounced as 'transphobic'.

HecatesCats · 20/11/2020 19:01

Women = something, something, something

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highame · 20/11/2020 19:28

Once we get used to the fact that 'everyone's' rights are transphobic, we'll be fine

MichelleofzeResistance · 20/11/2020 19:32

I think the best answer to that tweet is probably: No. Go well. Smile

NiceGerbil · 20/11/2020 19:48

I think the term abortion care doesn't work as a phrase at all.

A lot of this new language is unsuited to what it's for before you even get onto the rest of the issues

StrangeLookingParasite · 20/11/2020 22:13

Thread's full of children, too.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/11/2020 22:28

A follow on tweet in that thread.

They're tacitly acknowledging that it's just mealy-mouthed virtue signalling because saying "women" for female people is verboten.

MichelleofzeResistance · 21/11/2020 11:55

I just got around to reading that Twitter thread. It's... rather eye opening to put it mildly. It is hard to think anyone, including Planned Parenthood, reading that thread and seeing the appalling attitudes being expressed towards other people and women in particular, the worrying level of maturity and stability, the gleefully violent ideation spoken without the faintest inhibition or self awareness, and appropriacy of the behavioural skills being demonstrated by those supporting this 'inclusive' language on their thread, could read that without having some serious concerns.

SebastianTheCrab · 21/11/2020 12:06

"There are many more Americans who are dangerous to women on the Christian right than the woke left." @leafinthewind

I can't possibly see where you've extrapolated that from. The left is currently far more powerful (and vocal) than the right - in the US at least - through total institutional capture. From media companies to universities, medical facilities to sports bodies.

Which means that people are much more comfortable publicly chastising the right than they are the left - which is dangerous. The left think they can never be wrong purely by virtue of being on the left. (That's partly why Labour became so completely subsumed by anti-semitism.)

Yet it is the left is currently campaigning for the erasure of women in language, sports and politics and the violation of women through prostitution and surrogacy. And they're being applauded for it. I know which I fear more.

I also note that successive Democratic administrations have never enshrined Roe vs Wade in any kind of legislation. (On a side note, the entire US system is pitched more to the right than the UK's - Democrats are actually more in line with Conservatives. It was originally Democrats who opposed abolition of slavery. I would wager plenty of them today aren't pro-choice at all.)

MichelleofzeResistance · 21/11/2020 12:24

"There are many more Americans who are dangerous to women on the Christian right than the woke left."

The 'always keep a hold of nurse for fear of meeting someone worse' argument.

When the woke left are reduced to having to try to paint it as 'ok, we hate you but vote for us anyway because they hate you more', it's past time for a lot of gardening leave.

leafinthewind · 21/11/2020 13:20

"I can't possibly see where you've extrapolated that from."

74m Americans voted for Trump.

I take your point. I agree that no one deserves our vote if they can't back our interests. But my woke, liberal friends, who are harming by omission, are less dangerous to me than my blind, right wing enemies who are harming on purpose. Vast tracts of the American Right would genuinely prefer us barefoot and pregnant.

My woke friends (real ones, not rhetorical ones) are afraid that the Right will annul their marriages, cancel their pensions, and remove their healthcare (they're mostly East Coast, over-educated lesbians). They know that other people (like trans people) share those fears and so they embrace them. It doesn't make my woke friends bad people - but their language has been captured by bad people. I think that language capture will have to be fought here in the UK. In the US, they have other pressing problems that they're attending to right now.

I guess we'd agree that this isn't about Left and Right. It's about women and our interests - which are many and various and not well aligned with Left/Right politics. I'd STILL take Biden over Trump or Cruz or Rubio or Pence.

terryleather · 21/11/2020 14:10

PP have funding from the billionaire Pritzker family and have been going down this path for a while now.
As ever, follow the money....

HidingUnderARock · 21/11/2020 15:23

When are we going to have an Adult Female Human Week...?

Off at a tangent here, but who decides or creates these things? Is there a reason we can't have that?

FWRLurker · 21/11/2020 16:27

Actually I think it is fine on events / days specifically meant to honor trans people to make statements like this, provided clear language is used in other communications.

Some women don’t identify as women and no matter how silly I think this is personally, I think it’s ok for orgs to use “women and trans men” or “women and anyone with female biology”.

FWRLurker · 21/11/2020 16:29

That follow on is awful though

“Reproductive health care” could as easily be about men’s health. We need to be able to talk about female biology sometimes

HecatesCats · 21/11/2020 16:37

@FWRLurker

Actually I think it is fine on events / days specifically meant to honor trans people to make statements like this, provided clear language is used in other communications.

Some women don’t identify as women and no matter how silly I think this is personally, I think it’s ok for orgs to use “women and trans men” or “women and anyone with female biology”.

But they don't do that. They ditch women altogether in favour of adjectives no woman actually uses to describe herself. Therefore how do women's identities fit in this broad church? (Nb it's not a broad church).
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NiceGerbil · 21/11/2020 16:51

'Some women don’t identify as women and no matter how silly I think this is personally, I think it’s ok for orgs to use “women and trans men” or “women and anyone with female biology”.'

Problem is that's not what they seem to want.

SebastianTheCrab · 21/11/2020 17:24

@leafinthewind

"I can't possibly see where you've extrapolated that from."

74m Americans voted for Trump.

I take your point. I agree that no one deserves our vote if they can't back our interests. But my woke, liberal friends, who are harming by omission, are less dangerous to me than my blind, right wing enemies who are harming on purpose. Vast tracts of the American Right would genuinely prefer us barefoot and pregnant.

My woke friends (real ones, not rhetorical ones) are afraid that the Right will annul their marriages, cancel their pensions, and remove their healthcare (they're mostly East Coast, over-educated lesbians). They know that other people (like trans people) share those fears and so they embrace them. It doesn't make my woke friends bad people - but their language has been captured by bad people. I think that language capture will have to be fought here in the UK. In the US, they have other pressing problems that they're attending to right now.

I guess we'd agree that this isn't about Left and Right. It's about women and our interests - which are many and various and not well aligned with Left/Right politics. I'd STILL take Biden over Trump or Cruz or Rubio or Pence.

But they've had 4 years of Trump and none of that happened - he didn't take away their right to get married etc.

And the fact that 74 million people voted for him is irrelevant. The only power those people have is through the ballot box - and this year they didn't even have that. The other 70 million + have the right to vote plus media, universities, third sector, medical establishment etc etc etc on their side. Those are the people that make decisions. The decision in this case being to erase women as a class.

Meanwhile the Trump supporters voted for Trump in the first place precisely because they don't see themselves represented in any of the liberal, middle-class-dominated bodies that rule their lives and are going so off piste in terms of critical race theory, Neo-Marxism and gender ideology.

leafinthewind · 21/11/2020 19:19

"Neo-Marxism," Sebastian?!? Hmm

VulvaPerson · 22/11/2020 00:49

Again I wonder where are all the male centred healthcare orgs and such bending over backwards to mark 'trans awareness week' by declaring men prostate havers and such? Always fucking womens stuff attacked..

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