Health Education England - How to be a trans ally

[Iamanaubergine]

HEE have released a document for transgender awareness week on how to be a trans ally. The majority of which is perfectly reasonable however the final point is about supporting a trans person’s choice of bathroom and includes If we are going to continue as a society to reinforce the use of male/female toilets (is that what we all do at home?) then trans people should be able to use the facility that corresponds with their gender identity.

The conflation between toilets at home and outside of the home really annoys me. How would you go about challenging this?
www.hee.nhs.uk/sites/default/files/documents/How%20to%20be%20a%20trans%20ally%20%283%29.pdf

All i have is swear words im afraid iama

Hate that toilet argument....its the stupidest argument on the planet

Fucking twats

Check that there are san bins in all the gents , if not complain loudly. Then start to use the gents. If asked, you thought you were told it's gender not sex. Unless men are troubled this will continue.

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH with the "its just like your toilet at home" 'argument'

my loo at home is not open to the general public to wonder in whenever they fucking feel like it.

Christ do these people all take idiot pills????

The silly language and the ridiculously stupid parallels just makes my teeth grate. What relevancy do they think this niche highly political jargon actually has to the massive majority of people not soaked in it? No, I'm not an ally. No I don't go into my bathroom at home with random males, because that would be weird. I don't use my bathroom at home at the same time as any close family member, male or female, because there's this thing called privacy, which can be denigrated as old fashioned and whatever else someone woke wants to intellectually wank about, but they can go and do whatever they want. And I will do the same. Because it's not appropriate to try and tear down other people's personal boundaries to your own benefit.

is this document serious??

you can't assume anyone's gender, you must allow anyone into the toilets of their choice, you mustn't use the word 'preferred' in relation to their pronoun choice and you mustn't disclose anyone's transgender status without their consent (even in situations where sex is important????).

Ooff.... I've got to log off for a bit, this is too depressing.

No, I'm not an ally.

And this is not a meaning political statement of position, this is a statement of I have no idea what the fuck that word means, and I don't want anything to do with using jargon that suggests we're all at war and divided into factions.

My home is my private space. Strangers aren’t using my house toilet. This argument is nuts.

I'm not an ally. Not because I'm not supportive of other people. But because allyship appears to mean ignoring ones' own perception. I'm not up for that.

You're not expected to share the bathroom at home with strangers for a start

is that what we all do at home?

Well, I certainly don't allow random men with criminal intent to use the lavatories in my home.

We have sex-segregated lavatories, changing areas etc etc etc for a reason. Because women are vulnerable to sexual and/or physical attack in these places, generally by men.

So we need to be able to ask why any man is in our sex-segregated spaces. If we are told we have to accept any gender using sex-segregated spaces, we lose the right to question what men are doing in those spaces.

Or you could ask the trainers: how many attacks on women are acceptable in lavatories? 10? 100? or none?

MissMarplesGlove

I think its been established on here that the numer of attacks is n+1 - however many attacks there are, you always need another 1 before it's considered unacceptable by TRA

reinforce the use of male/female toilets (is that what we all do at home?)

That is such a stupid argument. Your loo at home is not open to the public. You'd probably know anyone who uses it. Also only one person will be in there at a time, it's not like a public loo with cubicles or urinals.

Why are we supposed to be allies? The number of trans people who are allies to women is...small.

Did a teenager write it? I truly despair. We should not need to be spelling all of this out. Everyone knows the truth but you’re not allowed to say it any more

HEE are a Stonewall champion - whose manifesto includes to remove single sex spaces:

www.stonewall.org.uk/women-and-equalities-select-committee-inquiry-transgender-equality

However HEE are supposed to uphold the Equality Act which specifically allows single sex exemptions/spaces - exemption based on sex - not transgender status - all males - excluded - all females (including transmen) - included

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/notes/division/3/16/20/7

• Specifically mentions changing rooms (and other things - routinely ignored)

Liz Truss recently stated "The position is clear in the Equality Act that service providers can restrict the use of spaces on the basis of biological sex, and it is important that women’s spaces, which have been hard fought for over generations, are protected."

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/unisex-changing-rooms-put-women-in-danger-8lwbp8kgk. Article about the dangers to women of mixed sex changing rooms - This is just about safety - not referencing privacy and dignity - which are also important routinely ignored.

HEE are suggesting reform/breach of the law - how is their remit?

Contact Page: www.hee.nhs.uk/about/contact-us

Please contact them and complain. Their web page states "NHS Constitution: The NHS Belongs to Us All".

Well HEE - 'all of us' includes women and girls if you hadn't noticed. How about being an ally to us?

That argument about the toilets at home gets right on my fucking tits. I leave the door open at home and my DH is free to come in - are they advocating I should leave the door open in public toilets and let any old bloke come in too? Similarly I let my DH sleep in the same bed as me (sometimes ) and we have sometimes have sex there, should I do the same for every other male when I stay in a hotel? Fuck off and fuck off some more with that stupid comparison!

Ive got two loos

Im going to make one female only and the other can be mixed sex (as its in the bathroom)

Then whenever some wally thinks they have a gotcha with the ‘home toilet’ bollocks i can say that i do indeed have sex segregated toilets in my house

@PenguindreamsofDraco

Why are we supposed to be allies? The number of trans people who are allies to women is...small.

That's a really good point Penguin. I'll use that if ever being accused of not being an "ally".

Ask them why they disagree with the United Nations.

www.ohchr.org/en/newsevents/pages/womenandgirlsrighttosanitation.aspx

It’s classic trivialising and misdirection.

I have had similar pop up on an email at work this week. Sadly I bet it’s written by someone who thinks it’s a great argument. I bet they’ve never thought further than loos.

Im going back with every example i can think of that highlights the other issues.

Either we have single sex spaces or we don’t.

right, I've had a nice walk in the sunshine and have now submitted my complaint.

I believe that everyone should be treated with respect but this document is so far off the mark that it is unacceptable.

Have they released it today on World Toileting Day?

I dislike the phase but bloody hell some people really do need to check their privilege, we have, like the minority of the world population, access to flushing toilets and instead of being grateful they are trying to make demands about which one they use. Be like millions of the world population and be poohing in a bush because that as sure as hell would wipe away the self entitlement going on.

I have no wish to be an ally either. Read into that what you will.

Everyone knows the truth but you’re not allowed to say it any more

Well I'm going to continue saying it.

I don't share my toilet at home with complete strangers!

Totally fucking stupid argument