"Transgender man, 34, loses legal battle to be named as the father on his child's birth certificate as Supreme Court refuses to hear his case"

[Malahaha]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8953783/Transgender-man-34-loses-legal-battle-named-father-childs-birth-certificate.html

Don't know if this was already posted but it's a glimmer of hope that soe judges have their heads screwed on tightly.

Reported in The Guardian now...... not sure it's any better than the DM to be honest!

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/nov/16/trans-man-loses-uk-legal-battle-to-register-as-his-childs-father

They is obviously being "supported" behind the scenes in their strategic litigation.

I too am interested to know who is funding this, perhaps Andrew Spearman at Laytons (who sits in the Ethics Surrogacy Board) has some ulterior motive here and it working properly bono, I can see how the two go together (surrogacy/erasure of motherhood).

The imminent developments I suspect are more to do with the 19 eggs Freddy had collected at the weekend and has announced embryos "doing well" today so more than a small distraction for Freddy.

Didn't know that either

Yeah. Not a nice person at all.

I should have added proof with my statement so here's a screenshot. 'Bullies and transphobes' for wanting to be referred to as mothers to their dead babies

No one was asking SANDS not to use trans inclusive language, just to use language that included everyone.

@yourhairiswinterfire

Didn't know that either

Yeah. Not a nice person at all.

I should have added proof with my statement so here's a screenshot. 'Bullies and transphobes' for wanting to be referred to as mothers to their dead babies

No one was asking SANDS not to use trans inclusive language, just to use language that included everyone.

The utter callousness. Beggars belief. Says it all about this person.

Can a GRC be revoked or annulled? Surely your declaration that you are going to live the rest of your life as a man is proved false if you then immediately start treatment to get pregnant? If Freddie's GRC is allowed to stand, it makes a mockery of the legal process.

I'm glad that the judges recognised that this is about the child and their right to know 'the biological reality of their birth'. And not about the narcissism and identity politics of the parent...

If Freddie's GRC is allowed to stand, it makes a mockery of the legal process.

Not a bad point to make on the Women and Equalities inquiry into the GRA that closes in two weeks...

A screenshot of Freddy misrepresenting the twitter row on Insta

I’m very glad that Freddie’s child’s right to an accurate record of the circumstances of their birth was upheld.

It’s the child’s certificate, not Freddie’s, and its purpose is for Freddie’s child to be able to prove where, when and to whom they were born. It’s not a vehicle for Freddie’s validation as a man.

Right decision.

I’m always boggled by the fact that a GRC cannot be rescinded. If it’s that important of a document, then we should be vigilant about attempts to game the system or procure it fraudulently, like we are with driving licences, passports, etc. Question: is it possible to fraudulently obtain one, what would that look like now, and what would that look like under self ID?

I just read the Guardian report; from it, this:

His passport and NHS records were changed to show he was male, but he retained his female reproductive system

NHS records changed to show he was male? Golly, isn't that dangerous? How can that be allowed? What if Freddie (or others in Freddie's position) come to be suffering from cervical/ovarian/uterine cancer, or from an illness that presents differently in biological females than it does in males?
Showing up at the doctor's as a man could mean misdiagnosis... and then legal action against dr's for missing the problem.

Sorry, off on a tangent I know, but such basic terms (male/female/mother/father) are important.

I have no sympathy for them either. They are a journalist for a major publication that is read worldwide, not some naive child being used as a puppet by a higher force. Freddy is the higher force.

The reason I think that Freddy was manipulated is because of something which Freddy's mother said in the documentary.

According to Freddy's mother, Freddy was at university in Edinburgh (a long way from Freddy's family in the south of England) and was unhappy, and said 'I'm a boy and I want to be a boy, and I realise this is how I've been feeling all my life'. Apparently this was a complete surprise to Freddy's mother. I assume Freddy was late teens at this time.

I'm not defending anything Freddy has said or done since then, though.

Previous thread about Freddy.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3688952-Seahorse-BBC2-now

And who is paying to take this to court? I'm sure Freddy isn't acting alone.

Sophocles totally agree with both points. A birth certificate is not a validation exercise for either parent, and a GRC is not worth the paper it's written on if someone can swear to something and then go off and immediately do the exact opposite

His passport and NHS records were changed to show he was male, but he retained his female reproductive system
What a travesty, considering he made an appearance on a maternity ward nine months later.

I could live with 'gestational parent' if the other box is labelled 'sperm provider'.

'Parent 1 and Parent 2' would have unintended consequences in terms of men's view of their own parental responsibility, so that's a no from me. A subtextual implication that the father is inferior to the mother is unhelpful, to say the least.

Glad to see the courts still have the sense to recognise that birth certificates must record material sex-based data.

I have a trans family member born female but identifies as male. He is currently 28 weeks pregnant. He is different I would say to most trans people I have heard on here. He doesn't think most trans women should be in sport, or hospital wards. He doesn't agree it's children trainstioning and he doesn't understand always understand why some trans people get pregnant and make everyone change there language. He's fine when people call him mother and she as he says that people shouldn't have to change there language. Though Idividulay with him he prefers it. He has a grc. Should his be revoked no. Did he chose to get pregnant no. He was sexually asuakted by a man (he gets very angry about trans people and crime statistics) who was under the influence and didn't find out he was pregnant till late. He would have had to go through delivery if he terminated. He's turned it on his head and think he'll be a great parent. He knows the reason he can be pregnant is cause he's female and his sex is female. In terms of Freddy we've had this discussion (we are both pregnant hence the discussion) and he thinks it's ridiculous. But dosnet see why parent couldn't be an option for people. (Not a default) as it's not only trans identifying people who could benifjt.

On a feminism point of view. Because he identifies as male he hasn't been able to access support locally about the assault. Any advice ?

"I also don't understand how the dysphoria doesn't extend to birthing a child!"

Well it certainly makes the wanting to live as/be accepted as a man hard to understand, doesn't it?

@justnamechanging03 Good grief that's shocking. Did the police not offer any referrals for support?

I wonder if this will trickle down to service providers trying not to use the word 'mother'.

Already happening, believe me.

Unfortunately that's often the case for women too. If your relative feels it was because of their identification as a man, that's possibly illegal discrimination on the grounds of gender reassignment, or sex if the police wrongly perceived they were male.

Name change fail. Have reported.

So he referred it to police intially but they said there wasn't much point as there would be very little evidence so case wasn't taken forward and no they didn't.

We've already accepted he's in the same camp as women for this. There was a potential aspect of him being trans in there (somthing said along the lines of 'crossing a Trans if there list) but nothing for it to go forward either. It's just bad there aren't the services there so he can talk about it

Let me get this right.

I'm not allowed to use the pronouns she/her of someone who has recently birthed a child, because that person 'identifies as male'.

What the actual fuck is the world coming to?

@justnamechanging03 LGBT foundation?