"Transgender man, 34, loses legal battle to be named as the father on his child's birth certificate as Supreme Court refuses to hear his case"

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8953783/Transgender-man-34-loses-legal-battle-named-father-childs-birth-certificate.html

Don't know if this was already posted but it's a glimmer of hope that soe judges have their heads screwed on tightly.

Boys with X-linked conditions inherit them from their carrier mothers, who pass on an X chromosome to their sons, not a Y chromosome, because that comes from the father.

Freddy’s argument would be that a condition like haemophilia can be inherited from either a mother or a father and that we should just forget scientific accuracy for the sake of being more socially up to date.

No.

Common sense!

I see Freddie hasn't missed an opportunity to go on the beg

Does the European Court of Human Rights have power in the UK now that the UK has left the EU?

@DaisiesandButtercups

Does the European Court of Human Rights have power in the UK now that the UK has left the EU?

Nope

@DaisiesandButtercups

Does the European Court of Human Rights have power in the UK now that the UK has left the EU?

Yes it does.

The European Convention on Human Rights and its European Court of Human Rights is a completely different legal system from the EU. It was set up by the Council of Europe in the aftermath of the Second World War.

The 1998 Human Rights Act gives effect to the ECHR in the UK, meaning that people in the UK can have their cases heard here rather than having to travel to Strasbourg.

There are those who disagree with the ECHR and would like the UK to pull out. Usually these individuals would like to see it replaced with a UK-specific version. However, currently, the UK is still very much a signatory.

Many countries that are not part of the EU have also signed up to the Convention, including Russia, Turkey and Ukraine.

@Clymene

I see Freddie hasn't missed an opportunity to go on the beg

Oh yes, with their newly minted “Equality for Trans Families Ltd” to fund an appeal to the ECHR.

There are those who disagree with the ECHR and would like the UK to pull out. Usually these individuals would like to see it replaced with a UK-specific version. However, currently, the UK is still very much a signatory.

Tricky to pull out though, as continued membership of the ECHR is a requirement of the EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement (Brexit deal), particularly on the security arrangements section.

gestational parent

baby: googoo gege
xyz: aww, look, she's trying to say gestation parent!

The counter argument, I think, if the EHRC were to push the U.K. it would result in GRA reform though wouldn't it?

We have a law which settles this and this govt have specifically said how they will not change it but they will lower they fee and provide more healthcare which they have actioned after a full public consultation so I think this is quite easily defend from the current position and law.

But I'm not a lawyer and there's ILGA to worry about.

This is interesting. There are so many things in UK & other European countries law that are based on sex not gender. If the European Court of Human Rights found in favour of Freddie, it would cause some real issues across the continent. Courts (higher courts) are mindful of one groups effects on another and this might (so long as Freddie raises enough cash) show that conflict and how in Freddies case the very few transpeople would cause real issues in Europe. The court would be unlikely (my thoughts) to throw Europe into chaos for something that, on the face of it, doesn't seem to be a human right failing?

Do we really have that many definitions of mother?

As with most highly used words ‘mother’ can have many definitions. That doesn’t mean that it can’t also be used in a very specific sense, or that that specific sense undermines all other definitions.

On a birth certificate ‘mother’ simply identifies who gave birth.

Freddy has a very strange understanding of language.

‘Gestational parent’

Why should any legal document use a euphemism? The English language already has a perfectly good word for this - ‘mother’.

@DaisiesandButtercups

Does the European Court of Human Rights have power in the UK now that the UK has left the EU?

Yes. It has nothing to do with the EU. The European Court of Human Rights was founded in 1950 by the Council of Europe, which the UK remains a member of. (The EU was founded later.)

The Brexit Withdrawal Agreement and the UK-EU Trade Agreement contain commitments that the UK will remain a party to the European Court of Human Rights.

Ah, sorry I see EdgeOfACoin and Ekofisk got there before me.

Interesting new Vice video by Freddy.

I noticed the comments have exploded since I watched it yesterday with overwhelmingly positive responses from what was initially quite critical. At first many seemed to be from the US effectively saying stop complaining, you have free healthcare, others who were U.K. based said their were waiting times for all kinds of treatment, one said he couldn't get a dentist appointment.

Since then it's gone the other way, like a call has gone out to drown the very mild criticism.

Christine Burns features, saying something like "this is who we are" but I think it's more about who they aren't.

Disturbingly it focuses fairly significantly on a young person who took their own life and uses the death of this person as an example of what happens why someone is on the waiting list. It ends in tears so is suitably emotional in approach.

Isn't using suicide as a threat exactly what the Samaritans say should not be done?

@Datun

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'Moreover, we do not have evidence before this court as to how other members of society would feel if they were no longer to be referred to on their child's birth certificate as a mother or a father but simply as 'Parent 1' and 'Parent 2'.'

They could ask them. I'd support that in a heartbeat.

Do you mean you’d support them asking? Rather than support being called Parent 1 or 2?

I'd support them asking, if they were saying that the problem is they don't have evidence of how society would feel being called parent one and two, rather than mother and father.

This is just a hunch, but I suspect most women would like to be called mother, rather than parent one, and the same for dads.

Also, who is parent one and who is parent two? I wonder what the bloody hell it's based on? Oh wait, no I don't.

Cue a campaign, six months down the road, to have the words Parent One erased, because it means mother.

DH would have insisted on being Parent 1 though. DH is not trans he identifies as a man, and man would be number 1. There'd be a lot of that, I think.

Freddy has a crowdfunder and Mermaids are supporting Freddy.

twitter.com/mermaids_gender/status/1450129120000679941?s=21

SJ's new baby sibling will soon face the same situation as SJ: no birth certificate, or one that opens them up to discrimination and abuse later in life, because it inaccurately lists Freddy as their 'mother'.

EH? Abuse from who? Who sees your birth certificate apart from government officials? What a load of nonsense.

Why would the children face discrimination and abuse for having a birth certificate which accurately gives the name of their mother?

So Sweden records trans men who give birth as fathers? What a travesty for their children.