Trans [male] inclusive feminists, help me understand - Part 2

[TalkingtoLangClegintheDark]

I think this is an important debate and the first thread filled up over-fast with a couple of giant derails, so I’ve taken the liberty of starting a continuation thread, hope that’s ok with you thinkingaboutLangCleg, (OP of the first one).

I’ve amended the title to include [male] as - as many on the previous thread pointed out - the issue here is not about including trans people in feminism, as those of us questioning this do automatically include biologically female trans/NB people, but about including biologically male people in the movement which most understand to be about the fight for women’s rights.

If anyone has a less clumsy way to word that, please let me know and I’ll ask MNHQ to edit the title.

Butterer - something very similar was what finally opened my eyes to how totalitarian a lot of the trans ideology really is.

I had just read one of Jessica Eaton / Taylor's popular blog posts about abuse and domestic violence. I thought it was really good. Simultaneously, a prominent Twitter academic posted something like "I can't believe people are still posting stuff by Jessica Taylor. Don't they realise she's a horrible t*rf?"

I had a moment of feeling terribly guilty about having read something so transgressive, then thought fuck it - I don't actually care if I agree with someone on sex vs gender if I'm talking about domestic abuse. Am I supposed to not read something well written and well articulated about a subject I care about, just because someone disagrees with her on something else? That's ridiculous.

And it continues to be ridiculous.

I don’t know anything about Wharf Chambers, but Rachel Reeves sister, Ellie Reeves (shadow solicitor general) is TWAW.

PearPickingPorky

If any "transinclusive" feminists can come and explain the logic of their position I would be very pleased to hear it.

I always thought that once the legal cases got to Court then we'd hear the argument very clearly and I'd then think "ahhh, sothat'swhere they are coming from".

*Instead, so far, we've had:

• intersex is a third sex
• A GRC changes your sex for ALL purposes (ignoring that the GRA itself lists many exceptions)
• White people can identify as black
• Non-binaries being misgendered is a sackable offence even when nobody knows they've started identifying as NB
• It doesn't matter if teenage girls are made infertile with no sexual function as some adults are asexual.*

This.

Also. Of course trans females should be a part Feminism.

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Tumbleweed

I came back to check this thread as I think it is a very good question and would like to see some answers but obviously the Trans inclusive feminists are having a day off...

Maybe it could be widened out a bit to anyone who can answer?